Just Bob

Lexington, Mississippi was established in 1820 as a trading post after the Treaty of Doaks Stand with the Choctaw Nation. The only information I could find about the mill was a sentence in Terry Trantow’s lumber token book that lists John Held as owner in 1924.
Beside the one dollar piece shown here, tokens were minted in denominations of 5, 25, and 50 cents. I got outbid on a five cent token just last week.
 

Lexington, Mississippi was established in 1820 as a trading post after the Treaty of Doaks Stand with the Choctaw Nation. The only information I could find about the mill was a sentence in Terry Trantow’s lumber token book that lists John Held as owner in 1924.
Beside the one dollar piece shown here, tokens were minted in denominations of 5, 25, and 50 cents. I got outbid on a five cent token just last week.
 

Lexington, Mississippi was established in 1820 as a trading post after the Treaty of Doaks Stand with the Choctaw Nation. The only information I could find about the mill was a sentence in Terry Trantow’s lumber token book that lists John Held as owner in 1924.
Beside the one dollar piece shown here, tokens were minted in denominations of 5, 25, and 50 cents. I got outbid on a five cent token just last week.
 

I did not blame him, nor did I imply that he was the cause of these posts. I was merely pointing out the differences between then and now. 
I have always been of the opinion that this obsession with “different” coins and the notion that they are worth lots of money has its roots in Ken Potter’s “Strike it Rich With Pocket Change” book. I am not blaming him for all of these posts, but I do think that the idea that errors and varieties are all around us began with that book and others like it.
 
 
My apologies to the OP for taking this thread way off course. I have said my piece, and I am done.
 
 

I recently grabbed this hard rubber/vulcanite token out of storage to compare it to one that was for sale on eBay, which did not have a hole. The eBay specimen was in nicer condition, but not quite nice enough for me to bid over the final price of $381. Consequently, I'll have to be satisfied with the one I own.
But since I had mine out, I thought I'd take a couple pictures and share them on here. Dr. George H. Keyser was a druggist in Pittsburgh during the 1860's, who sold trusses, braces, supporters and props for just about any ailment.
The storecard is listed as Pittsburgh D-P in Aqua's Pennsylvania Merchant Tokens catalog.
 

I will be happy to substantiate - right here.
#1 This OP thought you were accusing her of trying to fool members:
You: "Respectfully, my provisional assessment:  Dodo.
Translation:  Ain' nobody gonna try to pull the wool over my eyes with a DDL, i.e., not a doubled-die obverse; not a motto; only a single letter of a name.  I ain' havin' it.  However, being a reasonable person possessed of sound mind, I am open to plausible alibis." 
Her response:  "sorry not tryin to fool no one just asking ?"

#2 Here is one where you blew off a lady who had asked about a coin she found. She never returned.:
"The coin is practically 50 years old.  Here, do what I do and dispense with all the endless scrutiny of a product of modern machinery churning out stuff expeditiously under tons of pressure involving moving parts;.

Case closed.
Next!"
#3 Here is another one like the one above. This poster hasn't responded, either. You think these are funny, but to a newbie who is just looking for some help with a coin, these can be perceived as a rude brush-off:
 
"Sorry, time-barred by the 25-year Statute of Limitations.
Mon dieu!  A gouge -- a laceration -- on a cent that's been in regular circulation for 32 years.  What would you expect?
No scarface.
No die break.
And NO ERROR!
You don't think you can duplicate this feat at home in mere seconds?
 
Bailiff!  Next case, please..."
#4 This newbie was apparently confusing wear, bagmarks, and weak strike on coins he had seen and a coin he thought might be mint state:
"Wear. WEAR!!!  FULL-STOP!  That four-letter word is not even applicable to ANY of the eleven grades that comprise the Mint State series."
The OP's response:
"Henri, Thanks for taking the time to make a new guy feel like an insufficiently_thoughtful_person. Bye "
("insufficiently-thoughtful-person" is the NGC modification of the word "i d i o t."  According to his words, YOU made this new poster feel like an insufficiently_thoughtful_person.)
#5 A re-post of the response above by the OP:
Thank you Henri , I didn't expect a reply like that from someone who is supposedly a professional & a expert in coin collecting. May I ask, was you a beginner at one time? Just curious. At least I know one person who is not in a new collectors corner. Please do not respond to any of my future post. Good luck
 
There are probably more, but that should be enough for everyone to get the picture. The posts that you think are funny, and that members (myself included) know are in jest, are often misunderstood by newbies who do not know you. And that is made all the more sad by the fact that you are the one who has pointed out the "waving hand" that signifies a new poster, and declared that members should be more accommodating and understanding.
As far as a "personal vendetta or agenda," I have none, but I will repeat what I said to you back in 2021: 
"Although I will admit to being nice, I don't recall ever having suggested that "we all just try to get along." In fact, I do not feel that way at all. There are definitely posters on here, past and present, with whom I did/do not get along, and there are undoubtedly some who feel the same about me. I have no problem calling out, arguing with, chastising, ignoring, or refusing to respond to anyone who comes on here and tries to push misinformation, lead newbies astray, act stupid, or otherwise make a nuisance of themselves. And, I certainly expect others to do the same to me."

I get that you are old and in bad health, and that you use humor as a way to cope. Unfortunately, newbies often don't get it. And what you find funny, others may find annoying, disruptive, rude, or hurtful. I also get that you think that you are always right and everyone who disagrees with you is wrong; that is human nature. But consider this: how many people have placed you on "ignore" and how many times have you been suspended from this forum because of the things that you post?

The second part of my post was not an assertion, but a question, but I will address it, also. Larry has stated more than once that he knows former members who will no longer post here, and have evidently given your posts as the reason, or possibly one of the reasons, that they choose to stay away. I also know of several. I will not name names.
 Honestly, I think that if my posts upset multiple newbies, and multiple members had complained about my posts, and multiple members were skipping over or ignoring my posts, and I had been suspended multiple times because of my posts, and my posts were keeping quality members from participating in this forum, I might see a pattern emerging. I believe I might have to take a step back and ask myself if my posts might be the problem, instead of everyone else.
 
 
This is so laughable that I will only reply with these two words: pot/kettle.

 
This sentence is so, so wrong. The quality of posts and the number of quality posters has gone way down from the way it once was. You were not around fifteen years ago, so there is no way you can know what it was like then, unless you go back and read all of the threads from that time. Even then, you will never get the feel of the atmosphere. The names of many members read like a Who's-Who of numismatics, and the forum wasn't dominated by threads about parking lot coins and other "errors." There was also a lot more bickering back then, possibly because of the overabundance of dominant personality types. But it was, in every way, in much better shape.

Nice writeup. It's obvious that you put lots of time and effort into your research. Well done.
I am not sure how an exchange works. When Cain redeemed the tokens, did he in turn get reimbursed by the government?

I did not blame him, nor did I imply that he was the cause of these posts. I was merely pointing out the differences between then and now. 
I have always been of the opinion that this obsession with “different” coins and the notion that they are worth lots of money has its roots in Ken Potter’s “Strike it Rich With Pocket Change” book. I am not blaming him for all of these posts, but I do think that the idea that errors and varieties are all around us began with that book and others like it.
 
 
My apologies to the OP for taking this thread way off course. I have said my piece, and I am done.
 
 

Hudson

Info here.
 

No, he really isn’t. This isn’t the first time he has responded to a newbie’s question in a manner that offends or upsets them, and several  have never returned. And, who knows how many experienced collectors, researchers, authors, and dealers who, by the way, could add so much positive information and insight to this forum, refuse to post here any longer because of him?

I will be happy to substantiate - right here.
#1 This OP thought you were accusing her of trying to fool members:
You: "Respectfully, my provisional assessment:  Dodo.
Translation:  Ain' nobody gonna try to pull the wool over my eyes with a DDL, i.e., not a doubled-die obverse; not a motto; only a single letter of a name.  I ain' havin' it.  However, being a reasonable person possessed of sound mind, I am open to plausible alibis." 
Her response:  "sorry not tryin to fool no one just asking ?"

#2 Here is one where you blew off a lady who had asked about a coin she found. She never returned.:
"The coin is practically 50 years old.  Here, do what I do and dispense with all the endless scrutiny of a product of modern machinery churning out stuff expeditiously under tons of pressure involving moving parts;.

Case closed.
Next!"
#3 Here is another one like the one above. This poster hasn't responded, either. You think these are funny, but to a newbie who is just looking for some help with a coin, these can be perceived as a rude brush-off:
 
"Sorry, time-barred by the 25-year Statute of Limitations.
Mon dieu!  A gouge -- a laceration -- on a cent that's been in regular circulation for 32 years.  What would you expect?
No scarface.
No die break.
And NO ERROR!
You don't think you can duplicate this feat at home in mere seconds?
 
Bailiff!  Next case, please..."
#4 This newbie was apparently confusing wear, bagmarks, and weak strike on coins he had seen and a coin he thought might be mint state:
"Wear. WEAR!!!  FULL-STOP!  That four-letter word is not even applicable to ANY of the eleven grades that comprise the Mint State series."
The OP's response:
"Henri, Thanks for taking the time to make a new guy feel like an insufficiently_thoughtful_person. Bye "
("insufficiently-thoughtful-person" is the NGC modification of the word "i d i o t."  According to his words, YOU made this new poster feel like an insufficiently_thoughtful_person.)
#5 A re-post of the response above by the OP:
Thank you Henri , I didn't expect a reply like that from someone who is supposedly a professional & a expert in coin collecting. May I ask, was you a beginner at one time? Just curious. At least I know one person who is not in a new collectors corner. Please do not respond to any of my future post. Good luck
 
There are probably more, but that should be enough for everyone to get the picture. The posts that you think are funny, and that members (myself included) know are in jest, are often misunderstood by newbies who do not know you. And that is made all the more sad by the fact that you are the one who has pointed out the "waving hand" that signifies a new poster, and declared that members should be more accommodating and understanding.
As far as a "personal vendetta or agenda," I have none, but I will repeat what I said to you back in 2021: 
"Although I will admit to being nice, I don't recall ever having suggested that "we all just try to get along." In fact, I do not feel that way at all. There are definitely posters on here, past and present, with whom I did/do not get along, and there are undoubtedly some who feel the same about me. I have no problem calling out, arguing with, chastising, ignoring, or refusing to respond to anyone who comes on here and tries to push misinformation, lead newbies astray, act stupid, or otherwise make a nuisance of themselves. And, I certainly expect others to do the same to me."

I get that you are old and in bad health, and that you use humor as a way to cope. Unfortunately, newbies often don't get it. And what you find funny, others may find annoying, disruptive, rude, or hurtful. I also get that you think that you are always right and everyone who disagrees with you is wrong; that is human nature. But consider this: how many people have placed you on "ignore" and how many times have you been suspended from this forum because of the things that you post?

The second part of my post was not an assertion, but a question, but I will address it, also. Larry has stated more than once that he knows former members who will no longer post here, and have evidently given your posts as the reason, or possibly one of the reasons, that they choose to stay away. I also know of several. I will not name names.
 Honestly, I think that if my posts upset multiple newbies, and multiple members had complained about my posts, and multiple members were skipping over or ignoring my posts, and I had been suspended multiple times because of my posts, and my posts were keeping quality members from participating in this forum, I might see a pattern emerging. I believe I might have to take a step back and ask myself if my posts might be the problem, instead of everyone else.
 
 
This is so laughable that I will only reply with these two words: pot/kettle.

 
This sentence is so, so wrong. The quality of posts and the number of quality posters has gone way down from the way it once was. You were not around fifteen years ago, so there is no way you can know what it was like then, unless you go back and read all of the threads from that time. Even then, you will never get the feel of the atmosphere. The names of many members read like a Who's-Who of numismatics, and the forum wasn't dominated by threads about parking lot coins and other "errors." There was also a lot more bickering back then, possibly because of the overabundance of dominant personality types. But it was, in every way, in much better shape.

I don’t know. You probably would not have gotten along with everyone, but you also could have been a good fit. Sure there were some egos, but not as much as you might think. And, you know many of the former members personally, I’m sure. Guys like Skip, Tom Delorey, John Feigenbaum, Bruce Morelan, etc. And there were almost no “ how much is my error coin worth?” posts.

I will be happy to substantiate - right here.
#1 This OP thought you were accusing her of trying to fool members:
You: "Respectfully, my provisional assessment:  Dodo.
Translation:  Ain' nobody gonna try to pull the wool over my eyes with a DDL, i.e., not a doubled-die obverse; not a motto; only a single letter of a name.  I ain' havin' it.  However, being a reasonable person possessed of sound mind, I am open to plausible alibis." 
Her response:  "sorry not tryin to fool no one just asking ?"

#2 Here is one where you blew off a lady who had asked about a coin she found. She never returned.:
"The coin is practically 50 years old.  Here, do what I do and dispense with all the endless scrutiny of a product of modern machinery churning out stuff expeditiously under tons of pressure involving moving parts;.

Case closed.
Next!"
#3 Here is another one like the one above. This poster hasn't responded, either. You think these are funny, but to a newbie who is just looking for some help with a coin, these can be perceived as a rude brush-off:
 
"Sorry, time-barred by the 25-year Statute of Limitations.
Mon dieu!  A gouge -- a laceration -- on a cent that's been in regular circulation for 32 years.  What would you expect?
No scarface.
No die break.
And NO ERROR!
You don't think you can duplicate this feat at home in mere seconds?
 
Bailiff!  Next case, please..."
#4 This newbie was apparently confusing wear, bagmarks, and weak strike on coins he had seen and a coin he thought might be mint state:
"Wear. WEAR!!!  FULL-STOP!  That four-letter word is not even applicable to ANY of the eleven grades that comprise the Mint State series."
The OP's response:
"Henri, Thanks for taking the time to make a new guy feel like an insufficiently_thoughtful_person. Bye "
("insufficiently-thoughtful-person" is the NGC modification of the word "i d i o t."  According to his words, YOU made this new poster feel like an insufficiently_thoughtful_person.)
#5 A re-post of the response above by the OP:
Thank you Henri , I didn't expect a reply like that from someone who is supposedly a professional & a expert in coin collecting. May I ask, was you a beginner at one time? Just curious. At least I know one person who is not in a new collectors corner. Please do not respond to any of my future post. Good luck
 
There are probably more, but that should be enough for everyone to get the picture. The posts that you think are funny, and that members (myself included) know are in jest, are often misunderstood by newbies who do not know you. And that is made all the more sad by the fact that you are the one who has pointed out the "waving hand" that signifies a new poster, and declared that members should be more accommodating and understanding.
As far as a "personal vendetta or agenda," I have none, but I will repeat what I said to you back in 2021: 
"Although I will admit to being nice, I don't recall ever having suggested that "we all just try to get along." In fact, I do not feel that way at all. There are definitely posters on here, past and present, with whom I did/do not get along, and there are undoubtedly some who feel the same about me. I have no problem calling out, arguing with, chastising, ignoring, or refusing to respond to anyone who comes on here and tries to push misinformation, lead newbies astray, act stupid, or otherwise make a nuisance of themselves. And, I certainly expect others to do the same to me."

I get that you are old and in bad health, and that you use humor as a way to cope. Unfortunately, newbies often don't get it. And what you find funny, others may find annoying, disruptive, rude, or hurtful. I also get that you think that you are always right and everyone who disagrees with you is wrong; that is human nature. But consider this: how many people have placed you on "ignore" and how many times have you been suspended from this forum because of the things that you post?

The second part of my post was not an assertion, but a question, but I will address it, also. Larry has stated more than once that he knows former members who will no longer post here, and have evidently given your posts as the reason, or possibly one of the reasons, that they choose to stay away. I also know of several. I will not name names.
 Honestly, I think that if my posts upset multiple newbies, and multiple members had complained about my posts, and multiple members were skipping over or ignoring my posts, and I had been suspended multiple times because of my posts, and my posts were keeping quality members from participating in this forum, I might see a pattern emerging. I believe I might have to take a step back and ask myself if my posts might be the problem, instead of everyone else.
 
 
This is so laughable that I will only reply with these two words: pot/kettle.

 
This sentence is so, so wrong. The quality of posts and the number of quality posters has gone way down from the way it once was. You were not around fifteen years ago, so there is no way you can know what it was like then, unless you go back and read all of the threads from that time. Even then, you will never get the feel of the atmosphere. The names of many members read like a Who's-Who of numismatics, and the forum wasn't dominated by threads about parking lot coins and other "errors." There was also a lot more bickering back then, possibly because of the overabundance of dominant personality types. But it was, in every way, in much better shape.

I will be happy to substantiate - right here.
#1 This OP thought you were accusing her of trying to fool members:
You: "Respectfully, my provisional assessment:  Dodo.
Translation:  Ain' nobody gonna try to pull the wool over my eyes with a DDL, i.e., not a doubled-die obverse; not a motto; only a single letter of a name.  I ain' havin' it.  However, being a reasonable person possessed of sound mind, I am open to plausible alibis." 
Her response:  "sorry not tryin to fool no one just asking ?"

#2 Here is one where you blew off a lady who had asked about a coin she found. She never returned.:
"The coin is practically 50 years old.  Here, do what I do and dispense with all the endless scrutiny of a product of modern machinery churning out stuff expeditiously under tons of pressure involving moving parts;.

Case closed.
Next!"
#3 Here is another one like the one above. This poster hasn't responded, either. You think these are funny, but to a newbie who is just looking for some help with a coin, these can be perceived as a rude brush-off:
 
"Sorry, time-barred by the 25-year Statute of Limitations.
Mon dieu!  A gouge -- a laceration -- on a cent that's been in regular circulation for 32 years.  What would you expect?
No scarface.
No die break.
And NO ERROR!
You don't think you can duplicate this feat at home in mere seconds?
 
Bailiff!  Next case, please..."
#4 This newbie was apparently confusing wear, bagmarks, and weak strike on coins he had seen and a coin he thought might be mint state:
"Wear. WEAR!!!  FULL-STOP!  That four-letter word is not even applicable to ANY of the eleven grades that comprise the Mint State series."
The OP's response:
"Henri, Thanks for taking the time to make a new guy feel like an insufficiently_thoughtful_person. Bye "
("insufficiently-thoughtful-person" is the NGC modification of the word "i d i o t."  According to his words, YOU made this new poster feel like an insufficiently_thoughtful_person.)
#5 A re-post of the response above by the OP:
Thank you Henri , I didn't expect a reply like that from someone who is supposedly a professional & a expert in coin collecting. May I ask, was you a beginner at one time? Just curious. At least I know one person who is not in a new collectors corner. Please do not respond to any of my future post. Good luck
 
There are probably more, but that should be enough for everyone to get the picture. The posts that you think are funny, and that members (myself included) know are in jest, are often misunderstood by newbies who do not know you. And that is made all the more sad by the fact that you are the one who has pointed out the "waving hand" that signifies a new poster, and declared that members should be more accommodating and understanding.
As far as a "personal vendetta or agenda," I have none, but I will repeat what I said to you back in 2021: 
"Although I will admit to being nice, I don't recall ever having suggested that "we all just try to get along." In fact, I do not feel that way at all. There are definitely posters on here, past and present, with whom I did/do not get along, and there are undoubtedly some who feel the same about me. I have no problem calling out, arguing with, chastising, ignoring, or refusing to respond to anyone who comes on here and tries to push misinformation, lead newbies astray, act stupid, or otherwise make a nuisance of themselves. And, I certainly expect others to do the same to me."

I get that you are old and in bad health, and that you use humor as a way to cope. Unfortunately, newbies often don't get it. And what you find funny, others may find annoying, disruptive, rude, or hurtful. I also get that you think that you are always right and everyone who disagrees with you is wrong; that is human nature. But consider this: how many people have placed you on "ignore" and how many times have you been suspended from this forum because of the things that you post?

The second part of my post was not an assertion, but a question, but I will address it, also. Larry has stated more than once that he knows former members who will no longer post here, and have evidently given your posts as the reason, or possibly one of the reasons, that they choose to stay away. I also know of several. I will not name names.
 Honestly, I think that if my posts upset multiple newbies, and multiple members had complained about my posts, and multiple members were skipping over or ignoring my posts, and I had been suspended multiple times because of my posts, and my posts were keeping quality members from participating in this forum, I might see a pattern emerging. I believe I might have to take a step back and ask myself if my posts might be the problem, instead of everyone else.
 
 
This is so laughable that I will only reply with these two words: pot/kettle.

 
This sentence is so, so wrong. The quality of posts and the number of quality posters has gone way down from the way it once was. You were not around fifteen years ago, so there is no way you can know what it was like then, unless you go back and read all of the threads from that time. Even then, you will never get the feel of the atmosphere. The names of many members read like a Who's-Who of numismatics, and the forum wasn't dominated by threads about parking lot coins and other "errors." There was also a lot more bickering back then, possibly because of the overabundance of dominant personality types. But it was, in every way, in much better shape.

Congratulations on the new pickups. They sound like great coins. Looking forward to the pictures.
How were the prices realized and the general mood of the auction?

Excellent suggestion. Take her to a coin shop, and let her look through the dealer's box/bowl of world coins. Most shops have them, and I have seen them range anywhere from a dollar apiece down to six for a dollar. If I run across a coin shop somewhere when I'm with my wife, that's what she likes to do while I am talking coins or looking through the dealer's selection. She goes through the bin, picks out the ones with designs that she likes, and gets however many she can get for a couple of bucks.

No, he really isn’t. This isn’t the first time he has responded to a newbie’s question in a manner that offends or upsets them, and several  have never returned. And, who knows how many experienced collectors, researchers, authors, and dealers who, by the way, could add so much positive information and insight to this forum, refuse to post here any longer because of him?

No, he really isn’t. This isn’t the first time he has responded to a newbie’s question in a manner that offends or upsets them, and several  have never returned. And, who knows how many experienced collectors, researchers, authors, and dealers who, by the way, could add so much positive information and insight to this forum, refuse to post here any longer because of him?

No, he really isn’t. This isn’t the first time he has responded to a newbie’s question in a manner that offends or upsets them, and several  have never returned. And, who knows how many experienced collectors, researchers, authors, and dealers who, by the way, could add so much positive information and insight to this forum, refuse to post here any longer because of him?

Thank you Henri , I didn't expect a reply like that from someone who is supposedly a professional & a expert in coin collecting. May I ask, was you a beginner at one time? Just curious. At least I know one person who is not in a new collectors corner. Please do not respond to any of my future post. Good luck 

You guys are talking to a robot. This isn't about varieties, or even about coins period. It is about getting you to click on the spam link hidden in his post 

I take it no one has caught that spam link hidden in the above post. 
 

I would have guessed Fine.