FS Jeffersons

[MAULEMALL]

Would this be considered FS by NGC??

[TomB]

I don't know diddly about FS Jeffersons but it certainly looks good to me.

[Leothelion]

Would this be considered FS by NGC??

 

Nope! Sorry! It has a very disgusting nick on the steps so it discredits the nickel and every collector who has ever laid claim to having a full step nickel. It's rediculous! We accept weak strikes, distracting marks, carbon spots, overgraded coins but if there is one itty bitty tiny nick on the steps, forget it bud, your wasteing your time and money.

 

Leo

 

Not to say this krap doesn't get by the slabbers.......it does and quite often!

[PQSeated]

I don't think it will. The steps are pretty weak under the second pillar and would most likely prevent it from getting FS at NGC. PCGS might possibly give it a FS. What is the date and MM of it?

[MAULEMALL]

71P

 

I am having a bear of a time finding FS Jeffs from the 70's

[PQSeated]

The '71 Ps are not too hard to find in FS, as the same with the '71 Ds. Most of the other 70 dates, though are harder to find than most people think.

[Leothelion]

71P

 

I am having a bear of a time finding FS Jeffs from the 70's

 

I have several, perhaps I can help? Five steppers I have for most dates but if your after 6 steppers for the NGC registry, expect the bear to hibernate several seasons before locateing those needles in the haystack.

 

Til tomorrow, Leo

[MAULEMALL]

71P

 

I am having a bear of a time finding FS Jeffs from the 70's

 

I have several, perhaps I can help? Five steppers I have for most dates but if your after 6 steppers for the NGC registry, expect the bear to hibernate several seasons before locateing those needles in the haystack.

 

Til tomorrow, Leo

 

Ah..To sleep..Perchance to Dream

[Leothelion]

71P

 

I am having a bear of a time finding FS Jeffs from the 70's

 

I have several, perhaps I can help? Five steppers I have for most dates but if your after 6 steppers for the NGC registry, expect the bear to hibernate several seasons before locateing those needles in the haystack.

 

Til tomorrow, Leo

 

Ah..To sleep..Perchance to Dream

 

At my age, the dreams I have, are all nightmares!

 

Leo

[PF70UC-migration]

I think it would not be an NGC FS Jeff due to the interuption in the top step. Could be wrong, but pics looks like may not qualify for the 6 steps required by NGC. It's a shoe-in for the 5 step PCGS FS designation. Hoot is the man you want to talk to. He's always around and will go out of his way to give you expert advice.

[merysu]

I don't know Hoot, but for me Leo's the man when it comes to FS Jeffs. If you have ever seen his 53-s in FS, you will know what I mean. -mark-

[Leothelion]

I don't know Hoot, but for me Leo's the man when it comes to FS Jeffs. If you have ever seen his 53-s in FS, you will know what I mean. -mark-

 

Hi Mark

Welcome to the boards! Hoot is very knowledgeable and a great guy. You'll love him when you meet him because his name is Mark as well.

 

Leo

[Hoot]

Thanks PF70UC (that you Tom?) and Leo! I appreciate the kind words. I didn't chime into this post because some excellently knowledgable FS Jeff collectors, such as yourselves and PQseated, already had! And, for what it's worth, I'd agree that the scan of the steps in the first post are not that of a FS Jeff as defined by the grading companies. As mentioned, the weakness under the second pillar and the nick across the steps on the left preclude the designation. Still, it's probably a nice coin, especially being nearly 6 steps, and worth keeping; if not for slabbing, for a nice album collection. A 71-P should come your way soon, MAULEMALL, in FS if you just keep looking!

 

Nice to meet you Mark! Mark, uh, Hoot

[MAULEMALL]

Thanks Hoot.

[Leothelion]

A 71-P should come your way soon, MAULEMALL, in FS if you just keep looking!

 

Hoot

I'm assuming your talking about a certified NGC FS 1971. The pops only show that they have graded one coin with FS steps. Just how soon are we talking here

before MAULEMALL will locate one. I know I have a couple. Are the NGC pops correct?

 

Leo

[Hoot]

Hi Leo - I was simply speaking more generally, including 5 step specimens of PCGS basic FS quality. I do believe that there must be more than a few 6 step examples in the PCGS populations, which are very healthy: 79 in 65, 40 in 66, and 3 in 67. I also believe that the vast majority of uncirculated Jeffs in the 1971-present era remain unsearched for FS. How long it takes MAULEMALL to find one depends on how insane he is with the desire for the hunt . If he's like you and me, he'll find one in relatively short order .

 

Hoot

[MAULEMALL]

I'm not too insane but I check in every coin shop I go into.

 

The owners give me a wierd look from time to time.

[Leothelion]

Hoot,

Here's a March 2002 ANACS pop for the 70's and the other 6 step coins they have certified up to 1986. Just like you said, the 1971 should be an easy one to find as they have graded 15. As soon as I have more time, I'll check my inventory.

The numbers in the ANACS list shows a total of coins graded next the number of 5 steppers including the 5+ steppers and the last number indicates 6 steppers. The double number shows the highest MS grade for that 6 stepper. There have been 15 1971 6 steppers graded and the best grade is a MS65. The same goes for the 1973's. The one interesting note is that only one 6 step MS67 coin has been certified in that span

of years and I know who has it. Another interesting note, for the tougher years, 70-D, 76, 77, 79 these had the most near misses for 5 steps then the other dates.

 

1970 to 1986

1970-D 24/8/0

1970-S 34/33/0

1971 60/58/15 65

1971-D 105/98/5 66

1972 37/34/4 65

1972-D 57/49/4 65

1973 97/80/15 65

1973-D 75/63/3 65

1974 33/29/0

1974-D 57/56/0

1975 38/35/0

1975-D 44/38/0

1976 41/29/0

1976-D 64/59/1 64

1977 25/19/0

1977-D 55/52/2 66

1978 21/21/0

1978-D 56/54/0

1979 27/18/0

1979-D 38/37/0

971/49 6 steppers

1980-D 1 ms64

1982-P 4 65

1982-D 2 67

1983-D 1 65

1984-P 8 66

1985-P 3 64

14-34 dates have 6 steps

75 6 steppers certified

11 dates have 5 or less for a total of 38-6 steppers.

7-14, 3 or less, 13-6 steppers.

The other 7 total 62 steppers.

Out of the 75, 3-66 with only 1 MS67

 

Leo

[MAULEMALL]

Hoot,

Here's a March 2002 ANACS pop for the 70's and the other 6 step coins they have certified up to 1986. Just like you said, the 1971 should be an easy one to find as they have graded 15. As soon as I have more time, I'll check my inventory.

The numbers in the ANACS list shows a total of coins graded next the number of 5 steppers including the 5+ steppers and the last number indicates 6 steppers. The double number shows the highest MS grade for that 6 stepper. There have been 15 1971 6 steppers graded and the best grade is a MS65. The same goes for the 1973's. The one interesting note is that only one 6 step MS67 coin has been certified in that span

of years and I know who has it. Another interesting note, for the tougher years, 70-D, 76, 77, 79 these had the most near misses for 5 steps then the other dates.

 

1970 to 1986

1970-D 24/8/0

1970-S 34/33/0

1971 60/58/15 65

1971-D 105/98/5 66

1972 37/34/4 65

1972-D 57/49/4 65

1973 97/80/15 65

1973-D 75/63/3 65

1974 33/29/0

1974-D 57/56/0

1975 38/35/0

1975-D 44/38/0

1976 41/29/0

1976-D 64/59/1 64

1977 25/19/0

1977-D 55/52/2 66

1978 21/21/0

1978-D 56/54/0

1979 27/18/0

1979-D 38/37/0

971/49 6 steppers

1980-D 1 ms64

1982-P 4 65

1982-D 2 67

1983-D 1 65

1984-P 8 66

1985-P 3 64

14-34 dates have 6 steps

75 6 steppers certified

11 dates have 5 or less for a total of 38-6 steppers.

7-14, 3 or less, 13-6 steppers.

The other 7 total 62 steppers.

Out of the 75, 3-66 with only 1 MS67

 

Leo

 

Wow Leo....It looks like The mid 70's are going to be a bear.

[Leothelion]

Wow Leo....It looks like The mid 70's are going to be a bear.

 

Exactly! That's why most dates are collected in five steps.

 

Leo

[Hoot]

Thanks for the report Leo! It's that kind of information that should be a guide to purchasing these coins raw: If they have 5 or more steps, it's worth the buy. Few dealers are aware that they have the coins, let alone their relative worth, and most of the nice raw pieces are found in mint sets anyway. I have, however, found some nice coins in rolls. That's where I found my 1968-D 6-3-3-6 nickel graded MS66 PCGS (also my 60-D MS66, which has but 1 step but is a nice coin anyway). The 68-D quite a nice coin and I know of no other to match.

 

BTW, just picked up an 89-D MS64 6 steps (raw) for 2 bucks. Lots of good finds yet to be made .

 

Hoot

[Hoot]

I'm not too insane but I check in every coin shop I go into.

 

The owners give me a wierd look from time to time.

 

I know that look! Whenever I ask to see every Jefferson in inventory, they think I've lost my mind! (Maybe I have ). I did have one dealer, however, sit down with me and look over hundreds of coins just so he could learn what I was looking for! He and I had a great time.

 

Hoot

[Leothelion]

That's where I found my 1968-D 6-3-3-6 nickel graded MS66 PCGS (also my 60-D MS66, which has but 1 step but is a nice coin anyway). The 68-D quite a nice coin and I know of no other to match. Hoot

 

Hoot,

Obviously, you haven't seen my 68-D. See attachment. The step count is in the old PAK club method, 20 quater steps. For a spell there, it was the only FS 68-D ANACS certified but now, I think, there is another graded at MS65. Mine was graded a MS64.

 

Maulemall,

I have only one raw 6 step 1971 and it grades a MS64.

 

Leo

[Leothelion]

And you guys are collecting these nickels backwards! I used to check the steps first on every nickel but that soon became very monotonous.

 

Leo

[Hoot]

Okay, what does this mean/ "And you guys are collecting these nickels backwards!"

 

Nice nickel, BTW, and the step count is great, but surfaces cout too! (I was wondering who had that 68-D FS. )

 

Hoot

[cladking]

This is the most frustrating thing about the gem nickels. With all the other moderns there is a very high correlation between quality of strike and surface preservation. In most cases if the coin is clean then it will also be at least a better than average strike. This doesn't seem to be nearly so prevalent with the nickels. Part of the problem is that one sees so few full step coins to start with, but then one side or the other will typically be scratched and banged up and often both.

 

True superb gems with full strikes are extremely elusive for the post-1964 nickels. They tend to be of just a few dates/mm when they are found.

[Leothelion]

And here are the steps to the 1971 I have. See attachment. If NGC wanted to be picky with the marks on the top two steps then this would probably not qualify for a NGC FS designation. Also the mid 6th step could be considered weak and not as full as the upper steps.

 

Leo

[Leothelion]

This is the most frustrating thing about the gem nickels. With all the other moderns there is a very high correlation between quality of strike and surface preservation. In most cases if the coin is clean then it will also be at least a better than average strike. This doesn't seem to be nearly so prevalent with the nickels. Part of the problem is that one sees so few full step coins to start with, but then one side or the other will typically be scratched and banged up and often both.

 

True superb gems with full strikes are extremely elusive for the post-1964 nickels. They tend to be of just a few dates/mm when they are found.

 

Cladking,

Time for a new topic!

 

Leo