"HOLDER" REVEALED! AT vs. NT: darkside coin, but you should take a look anyhow

[James_OldeTowne]

This one could be tricky, so consider your answer carefully ....

 

[MBA101]

I like it...but don't ask me whether it's natural or not.

[RUSS BEGA]

not about the toning but is that a Re-strike thaller?

 

Russ

[kryptonitecomics]

Looks like the restike......

 

Heck I AT'd one of these myself but frankly if it was kept in some sort of envelope etc...It could have toned that way over time....so.....it could be AT or NT but the colors don't really scream either way. I'll go with NT just becuase the toning is darker at the rims and lighter in the center like it spent time in an album.

[James_OldeTowne]

Now what do you think? Does the "holder" change your opinion any?

 

[truthteller]

Sorry James, but this holder doesn't prove much. Read up on the "Peacock" dollars which were "originally" sold in a similar type holder.

 

 

 

TRUTH

[James_OldeTowne]

Hi Truth. I know what you're saying, but I can't imagine a conspiracy with sinister motives to dupe collectors out of their hard-earned money through the promotion of Maria Theresa thalers ! I could be wrong though. But I do think this coin really did tone in this holder as shown without interference from a coin doctor, or anyone with pernicious intent (which doesn't make it any more NT or valuable, of course).

 

By the way, the holder is fairly well sealed, but not airtight.

[truthteller]

OK, I'll submit there are no nefarious folks selling these MT thalers for moon money, but only time will tell.

 

 

 

TRUTH

[James_OldeTowne]

One thing that is annoying about this particular holder is that the hole is actually too large in diameter for the coin. I know that these were struck open-collar, thus resulting in variable diameters, and that the hole had to be cut out a bit larger than necessary to accommodate oversized pieces, but it does allow the coin to rattle around a lot more than I would like. But I think that the fact that there's extra room between the coin and the cardboard could have some bearing on the toning pattern, which is a little different than usual. Also, we don't know what kind of environment the holder was stored in (and the seller didn't know either).