PCGS 'Deep Cameo' Vs. NGC 'Ultra Cameo'

[macrocoin]

For those of you that have had the opportunity to compare two coins side by side....one being a PCGS graded DC and the other being a NGC UC, what can you tell me about them? How would you compare? Are both grades pretty much the same ranking with a different name? Are we talking apples and oranges?

 

Post pics if you can - I am interested to see the difference between two coins of identical year and mint, one of each category, side by side. (working on buying something to compliment one of mine but would love to have something to go by in the meantime)

 

Regarding pricing, which classification would grab the best price on the open market? Assuming the coins themselves were problem free and true to grade, which is worth more?

[michael]

for pre 1915 proof coinage ONLY

 

ngc ultra cameo is much more consistant and usually more killer heavy cameo then pcgs

 

now.....................

 

can you find killer heavy cameo true to life deep cameo pcgs proof coins?? yes you can but you got to look for them as not all deep cameos pcgs are truly DEEP CAMEO

 

the ultra cameo ngc designation is usually right on the money and i have yet to see a pre 1915 proof coin designated ultra cameo that was'nt ultra cameo

 

and i have seen many cameo ngc coins pre 1915 proofs cracked out and get designated deep cameo by pcgs

 

here is an example of a proof pre 1915 ultra cameo designated coin by ngc that is a monster heavy ultra cameo

 

 

[michael]

and another ngc ultra cameo coin that is all there and shockingly heavy ultra cameo when viewed in hand sight seen

 

the photo barely does justice to the coin

[michael]

this coin is only proof cameo ngc and as you can see it is really ultra heavy cameo and would more than likely get the deep cameo at pcgs in my opinion as sight seen it IS ULTRA DEEPLY CAMEOED

 

monster

 

 

 

[macrocoin]

I am new to proofs, but I am guesing that the degree of 'cameo' appearance lies in the contrast between the frosted features and the mirrored features. I have a few modern Washington quarters (pre 1965) that fit into this category and are simply stunning. I just scooped up another last night in PF-68 UC - will post pics when I get a chance to take some decent photos.

[IGWT]

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You all might think that I'm simply "enabling" Michael by posting his images for him; he will never learn to embed a photo unless we refuse to do it for him. But I can't help it . . . I keep thinking that he'll send me one of his coins as a token of appreciation.

[midwest]

You all might think that I'm simply "enabling" Michael by posting his images for him; he will never learn to embed a photo unless we refuse to do it for him. But I can't help it . . . I keep thinking that he'll send me one of his coins as a token of appreciation.

 

Actually I think he gets his jollies by making us post his pictures

[michael]

 

i just cant seem to get it with this computer complicated photo posting stuff

 

i need to be shown how to do it hands on

[cpm9ball]

 

i just cant seem to get it with this computer complicated photo posting stuff

 

i need to be shown how to do it hands on

 

That's okay, Michael. If you think you've got a long way to go, just consider my predicament..................I'm waiting for them to make a computer that will take an accurate photo and post it for me with just one left click and its done.

 

Chris

[James_OldeTowne]

Personally, I have difficulty on that fine edge between CAM and DCAM (or UCAM). I also have a lot of trouble seeing much difference between the two major companies. I do know that ICG is liberal with DCAMs, though, having gone through the crossover bit with their coins.

 

I guess that for me, I'd see PCGS and NGC about equal with regard to their CAM and UCAM designations. But I'll admit to not having a lot of experience here.

 

James

[michael]

for me the dcam or ultra cam has to be monster for me to see it as deep or ultra cameo and there is a difference

 

but it has to be all there and have the "look" but it is a highly specialized speciality coin