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[GoldFinger1969]

On 7/19/2024 at 9:08 AM, VKurtB said:

You’re discounting the most likely scenario - that EC is doing the bringing into Rick’s shop. Appearance fees?

Can't see that.  He's a bigtime collector, not going to collect some nickels and dimes from "Pawn Shop."

[VKurtB]

On 7/19/2024 at 8:13 AM, GoldFinger1969 said:

Can't see that.  He's a bigtime collector, not going to collect some nickels and dimes from "Pawn Shop."

Yes, but he is ALSO the first “whale” collector to ever participate in online forums, so there’s that.

[Zebo]

On 7/19/2024 at 9:24 AM, VKurtB said:

Yes, but he is ALSO the first “whale” collector to ever participate in online forums, so there’s that.

Extra publicity before putting up his completed collection for auction? I do not buy this assertion, but put it out there for comment. Maybe he’s just having some fun with it? 
 

Maybe , just Maybe - Kurt will become a Pawn Star fan.  Just kidding Kurt. 

[VKurtB]

On 7/19/2024 at 9:52 AM, Zebo said:

Extra publicity before putting up his completed collection for auction? I do not buy this assertion, but put it out there for comment. Maybe he’s just having some fun with it? 
 

Maybe , just Maybe - Kurt will become a Pawn Star fan.  Just kidding Kurt. 

1) Don’t expect to EVER catch me in Vegas.

2) If 1) fails, don’t ever expect to catch me in that store.

[zadok]

On 7/18/2024 at 5:21 PM, The Neophyte Numismatist said:

Did you cut OldHoopster slack when he repeatedly asked you to leave him alone?  The fact that you still drag him after his death is the reason I will show you NONE.  

It's of no matter... because, you never intend to leave this forum.  You like to attention seek, so leaving takes away (what seems to be) your most common vehicle for this activity.  Interestingly, I do think you have some numismatic knowledge in there somewhere.  But, you don't commonly share it... and it's buried in word salad when you do.  I can say you have taught me nothing (which is not to say you owe me an education).

I wish you no ill will at all.  But, I want you to know that you have (nearly single handedly) ruined this forum with your behavior.  It's sad, because despite what you think... that will be your legacy to most here.  Once you are gone, perhaps discourse can continue without your derailments.  Thus, improving these boards overall.

So... do whatever you wish.  I am not signing off from the boards... I am just blocking you.  You have earned it.

 

 

...so aptly put...n on so many different levels, i have an old friend from my military days who now teaches psychology at one of the top medical schools in the country n ask him to look at a couple hundred of u know who's postings...his observations were very profound...if ever interested i could pm them to u....

[Zebo]

So when will the Pawn Stars episode air??? 

[Zebo]

On 7/19/2024 at 11:52 AM, VKurtB said:

1) Don’t expect to EVER catch me in Vegas.

2) If 1) fails, don’t ever expect to catch me in that store.

Not the 1933, but maybe you can Join Jeff and his wife for dinner after visiting the pawn shop. I just happened to see this which aired a couple nights ago (I think). Just kidding again Kurt - no offense implied.

 

Edited July 20 by Zebo

[Zebo]

And as a kicker, our own David Vagi makes a visit. Glad to see the NGC publicly.

 

 

NOW BACK TO THE 1933

Edited July 20 by Zebo

[VKurtB]

I’m guessing Jeff gets to Vegas occasionally for the PCGS members only coin shows. 

[Zebo]

On 7/20/2024 at 1:29 PM, VKurtB said:

I’m guessing Jeff gets to Vegas occasionally for the PCGS members only coin shows. 

I imagine that you are correct. Fun stuff for him. I am still debating whether I’ll go to Rosemont or not. I believe you said you are going to miss this one - if I remember correctly. 

[VKurtB]

On 7/20/2024 at 12:37 PM, Zebo said:

I imagine that you are correct. Fun stuff for him. I am still debating whether I’ll go to Rosemont or not. I believe you said you are going to miss this one - if I remember correctly. 

Yup, this year I’m out. Too many post-surgical appointments to shlep my wife to after her hip replacement and subsequent dislocation. I had to cut my Summer Seminar trip short by two days after the dislocation. 

[Zebo]

@Henri Charriere 

Airs tonight - asking 30 million.

 

 

Deal or no deal? You will have to watch or find the answer. Or I will tell you in a couple!of days. 

Edited September 26 by Zebo

[GoldFinger1969]

Crud, I missed it but it should re-air.   New episode apparently, as it's not available on-demand like a few episodes that aired sequentially right before it.

But what are Ian Russell (on behalf of EC) and Jeff Garrett doing on the show ?  If Ian is selling the coin for EC, you don't go on Pawn Stars.  The coin is obviously legit and the real 1933 owned by EC.

I think this whole thing is a publicity stunt designed to get viewership or interest up for the coin....for GC.....and for the Pawn Stars TV show.

Can someone who saw it explain what transpired ?

Edited September 26 by GoldFinger1969

[Zebo]

On 9/26/2024 at 1:38 AM, GoldFinger1969 said:

Crud, I missed it but it should re-air.   New episode apparently, as it's not available on-demand like a few episodes that aired sequentially right before it.

But what are Ian Russell (on behalf of EC) and Jeff Garrett doing on the show ?  If Ian is selling the coin for EC, you don't go on Pawn Stars.  The coin is obviously legit and the real 1933 owned by EC.

I think this whole thing is a publicity stunt designed to get viewership or interest up for the coin....for GC.....and for the Pawn Stars TV show.

Can someone who saw it explain what transpired ?

It should be on for replay today. Having Jeff Garrett on to verify the authenticity was a bit much, but that’s show biz for ya. An offer was made.

 

Wonder who Rick is representing?  I have one guess, what about you?

Edited September 26 by Zebo

[GoldFinger1969]

On 9/26/2024 at 7:07 AM, Zebo said:

Wonder who Rick is representing?  I have one guess, what about you?

I have no idea, you do ??

[Henri Charriere]

Evidently, I missed the episode but that's okay.  I believe the '33 owner's willingness to cooperate and participate in this presentation reflects most favorably on him, and all those who had played a part in seeing this through.  You would not ordinarily see something like this as most owners understandably prefer to maintain anonymity, or a low-profile.

The coin's owner is a good sport and his amenability to a suggestion, that necessarily entails risk, is a welcome departure from that of the traditional cloistered, un-communicative collector.

It is a comfort to know there is a human element to the whales amongst us.

Thanks for posting this!  

[powermad5000]

An offer was made but was there an actual sale???

[GoldFinger1969]

On 9/27/2024 at 12:39 AM, powermad5000 said:

An offer was made but was there an actual sale???

Nope, EC ATS said $30 MM would have shaken it loose. 

You guys want to go in on this together and snag the coin ? 

[powermad5000]

On 9/27/2024 at 12:43 AM, GoldFinger1969 said:

EC ATS said $30 MM would have shaken it loose.

Forgive my ignorance. I have seen this term on here many times and it still confuses the (bad word) out of me. It's bad enough it started when I started working on cars, but now that I am an electrician and I have many friends who work on the railroad (as well as I am into model trains and model train layouts designed to operate like real rail systems), the use of ATS on here has me so screwed up I have no idea what you are all talking about.

ATS - Automatic Transmission Service

ATS - Automatic Transfer Switch

ATS - Automatic Train Supervision

ATS - Automatic Train Stop

ATS - Against the Spread (sports betting)

ATS - Answer to Select (telecommunications)

ATS - Air Traffic Systems

ATS - Automated Test System

ATS - Automated Test Sequence

ATS - Apprenticeship Training Schedule

ATS - Abusive Tax Shelter

ATS - Automated Transport System

ATS - Advanced Tactical Support

ATS - Automatic Targeting System

ATS - Alternate Termination Sequence (AT&T)

ATS - Alarm Termination Subsystem

ATS - Automatic Traffic Signals

ATS - Authorization to Ship

ATS - Adult Thumb Sucking

 

Please choose one from this list (which is not exhaustive) or please type in your response of what ATS is in relation to this forum as I am confused beyond belief.

[Fenntucky Mike]

On 9/27/2024 at 2:10 AM, powermad5000 said:

Forgive my ignorance. I have seen this term on here many times and it still confuses the (bad word) out of me. It's bad enough it started when I started working on cars, but now that I am an electrician and I have many friends who work on the railroad (as well as I am into model trains and model train layouts designed to operate like real rail systems), the use of ATS on here has me so screwed up I have no idea what you are all talking about.

ATS - Automatic Transmission Service

ATS = Across The Street, aka PCGS chat boards.

[Zebo]

As Goldfinger pointed out - No Sale. It was fun to see Ian Russell and Jeff Garrett in the same room discussing the coin. After all - it is entertainment. Maybe they should have had a special guest appearance by Hanson. 

[Zebo]

From Ian ATS:

Hope everyone enjoyed it.

We approached the show for a few reasons.

1. Could they have a huge client who wants the most valuable coin? (If a deal is done and filmed in real time, how amazing would that be to be part of?)

2. In general, it's great exposure for the hobby. It was Elite's idea initially and awesome how it all came together so quickly. We need as much exposure for coins as possible. At GC, we spent money on this endeavor because it's so important to attract collectors in the future.

Elite really wants people to learn more about coins and see a rarity like the 1933. Pawn Stars has a vast viewership - and the majority is outside of the numismatic community.

Rick's shop is impressive. The amount of foot traffic is astonishing. He has knowledge about coins. I wondered if he was going to call Steve Wynn or someone like that, he knows everyone in that town.

I had several conversations with Elite in the lead up to the taping "okay, we need to be prepared that your complete Saint set is not complete anymore" - he would have been a very reluctant seller, but knew that was the purpose of the project.

One other benefit, I got to hang out with Jeff Garrett after the taping - although I've known Jeff for years and we've done some business, I hadn't spent an afternoon with him before the day of the shoot in Vegas. We had a nice dinner at a classic Vegas restaurant after touring the Pawn shop.

The security and insurance was probably the most difficult part to arrange. It's why it was not filmed at his shop. Their team were very helpful and ensured everything went to plan and the coin's time on site was kept to a minimum.

• Ian

Also EC says he will show it at more shows in the future.

nice of them to chime in.

[powermad5000]

On 9/27/2024 at 5:07 AM, Fenntucky Mike said:

ATS = Across The Street, aka PCGS chat boards.

Thank you!!!        Makes sense to me now.

[GoldFinger1969]

EC is a class act. 

And I think he was right that this whole Pawn Stars episode is great for our hobby, coins, etc.

Also thanks to Ian and Jeff for participating.  Only negative is I have to wait for a stupid re-run. 

[VKurtB]

On 7/19/2024 at 8:08 AM, VKurtB said:

You’re discounting the most likely scenario - that EC is doing the bringing into Rick’s shop. Appearance fees?

Seems my guess was correct - a cynical publicity stunt that never was a real attempt to sell the coin. Rick and his family are publicity whores, plain and simple. Rick wasn’t helping the hobby, the hobby was kissing Rick’s posterior. Shameful.

Edited October 1 by VKurtB

[GoldFinger1969]

On 9/30/2024 at 10:03 PM, VKurtB said:

Seems my guess was correct - a cynical publicity stunt that never was a real attempt to sell the coin. Rick and his family are publicity whores, plain and simple. Rick wasn’t helping the hobby, the hobby was kissing Rick’s posterior. Shameful.

Read Ian's account over ATS.  Very honest and upfront.  EC said he was willing to sell the coin but Rick didn't get a buyer to meet his reserve.

No harm, no foul.  If this educates people about coins, who's hurt ?

[VKurtB]

On 9/30/2024 at 9:41 PM, GoldFinger1969 said:

Read Ian's account over ATS.  Very honest and upfront.  EC said he was willing to sell the coin but Rick didn't get a buyer to meet his reserve.

No harm, no foul.  If this educates people about coins, who's hurt ?

Anyone who believes it was a serious attempt. Naïveté is so unattractive. 

[Zebo]

Of course it wasn’t a serious attempt to sell the coin, but it was entertainment. If it results in one person becoming interested in the hobby - it will be worth it. What it may do however, is turn the heads of people looking at only the $$$ and not the coin and story behind it. In any event it was fun seeing the episode and something other than error coins for a change.

[GoldFinger1969]

On 9/30/2024 at 10:43 PM, VKurtB said:

Anyone who believes it was a serious attempt. Naïveté is so unattractive. 

He said he would have been a seller...a RELUCTANT seller.

Consider this....if he got the $30 MM, it would have represented an annualized 15% a year for the time EC held the coin.  That is one of the highest CAGR for a return on investment for any trophy coin that I can recall, outside of someone flipping a coin to the real buyer for a nice profit in a very short period of time.

[RWB]

This and other such shows are merely "eye-bait" to support advertising. Truth, accuracy, reality and not part of the scripts.

(But maybe those are nearly as limited as in numismatic ignorance and greed?)