Me4it Posted July 23, 2023 Share Posted July 23, 2023 Had This For a Few Years Any Idea on Year/Rarity or Exactly what the current market value is? -this will be interesting watching the responses because they’re must be a knowledgeable IV out there somewhere- I await your responses/replys Thanks Again!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Just Bob Posted July 23, 2023 Share Posted July 23, 2023 It resembles a coin of The Netherlands. According to several different sources, the inscription, MO ORDI PROVIN FOEDER BELG AD LEG IMP (MONETA ORDINUM PROVINCIARUM FOEDERATORUM BELGII AD LEGEM IMPERII) translates "regular coin of the provinces of the Belgium Confederation (or United Netherlands) by imperial decree." The only coins I have found with this combination of legend and the standing knight are 1 and 2 ducat gold coins. Yours does not appear to be gold, so I can't say what it is actually supposed to be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JKK Posted July 23, 2023 Share Posted July 23, 2023 Bob's definitely on to something. I'm going to guess that it's a coin of one of the Dutch provinces, so I'll let you do the shoveling. If you'd provided weight and diameter, I might have dug, but without that information it's pointless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sandon Posted July 23, 2023 Share Posted July 23, 2023 As the previous replies suggest, this isn't an ancient Roman coin. It is likely a coin struck for what is now Belgium from the sixteenth or seventeenth centuries. (It isn't in my eighteenth-century edition of the Standard Catalog of World Coins.) It is only "Roman" in the sense that this territory was then part of the "Holy Roman Empire", a usually loose confederation of European states that existed from the time of Charlemagne (early ninth century) until the Napoleonic era. The only coins I've been able to come up with that bear this inscription are gold ducats from that period. This is apparently a lower denomination silver coin. Hopefully, a forum participant will have a reference from which it can be identified. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Henri Charriere Posted July 23, 2023 Share Posted July 23, 2023 If I could, I would ask, From whom did you acquire this coin and/or under what circumstances? [ I am going to hold the "why," in abeyance.] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RWB Posted July 23, 2023 Share Posted July 23, 2023 (edited) Added below: Westfriesland. Gold Ducat 1611 (Heritage Signature Sale #0363; Lot #22952). Edited July 24, 2023 by RWB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Me4it Posted July 23, 2023 Author Share Posted July 23, 2023 (edited) weight provided See picture below Edited July 23, 2023 by Me4it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RWB Posted July 24, 2023 Share Posted July 24, 2023 (edited) Suspect a crude counterfeit in tin or silver that was gold plated. The roughly cut outline, bungled inscriptions, and light weight (3.5 g nominal, 0.986 fine) are likely pointers. Drilled hole in another - holes in gold coins were usually punched to preserve the gold content (gold coin circulated by weight and fineness not by legal value). Inscription on real 1611 ducat ---- Reverse Legend In Tablet: MO ORDI / ROVIN / FOE DER / BELG AD / LEG IMP Obverse Legend from 12 o'clock reading right: CONCORDIA RES // PAR - VAE - CRES(CVNT) WEST(F) Edited July 24, 2023 by RWB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VKurtB Posted July 28, 2023 Share Posted July 28, 2023 On 7/23/2023 at 9:51 PM, RWB said: Suspect a crude counterfeit in tin or silver that was gold plated. The roughly cut outline, bungled inscriptions, and light weight (3.5 g nominal, 0.986 fine) are likely pointers. Drilled hole in another - holes in gold coins were usually punched to preserve the gold content (gold coin circulated by weight and fineness not by legal value). Inscription on real 1611 ducat ---- Reverse Legend In Tablet: MO ORDI / ROVIN / FOE DER / BELG AD / LEG IMP Obverse Legend from 12 o'clock reading right: CONCORDIA RES // PAR - VAE - CRES(CVNT) WEST(F) …OH DE DOO DAH DAY. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...