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[GoldFinger1969]

On 4/1/2023 at 8:21 AM, ldhair said:

Over the years, I have learned to trust the opinions of those that have posted in this thread. In my opinion, they are correct about the OP coin. 

If the OP can sell the "owl" for what he thinks it is worth, then I guess that is all that matters, huh ?

Then we'll have THAT GUY coming here posting and asking what we think of his authentic "owl" !!   

[bobbyboshay]

Look sir there was never any doubt also if the coin was not real money back was guarantee this post was just a post to educate people In not believing in the opinions of all the people who have something to say in a negative light as if they have all the answers which they don’t   so with that said thanks for your maturity in responding to just all of the comments .also if one’s opinion is correct or not who really cares this belongs to me and me alone so for all the doubters and experts your opinion is appreciated because this forum has allowed people to depend on there own research and not on others 

[l.cutler]

So, post that "certificate of authenticity" so you can tell everyone "I told you so".

Edited April 1, 2023 by l.cutler

[GoldFinger1969]

On 4/1/2023 at 11:19 AM, bobbyboshay said:

Look sir there was never any doubt also if the coin was not real money back was guarantee this post was just a post to educate people In not believing in the opinions of all the people who have something to say in a negative light as if they have all the answers which they don’t   so with that said thanks for your maturity in responding to just all of the comments .also if one’s opinion is correct or not who really cares this belongs to me and me alone so for all the doubters and experts your opinion is appreciated because this forum has allowed people to depend on there own research and not on others 

Nobody here ever claimed to be perfect or 100% accurate.  And foreign coins -- Owls in particular -- are a niche specialty where someone with years of expertise might be able to validate -- or definitively shoot down -- your claims.  Quite frankly, it doesn't matter to me either way.

But the notion that you posted to "educate" us about our failing is nonsense.  We KNOW we are not 100% perfect or accurate.  But the overwhelming evidence to date seems to be that the coin in question is not authentic.

I do hope an ancient or Owl expert chimes in who can settle this.  Regardless, your attempt at playing "gotcha" is not worthy of a thread, IMO.

Edited April 6, 2023 by GoldFinger1969

[GoldFinger1969]

On 3/26/2023 at 10:00 AM, bobbyboshay said:

Thanks for your opinion but this time you’re are wrong been certified and appraised  with the certificate of authenticity and it’s silver  so everyone please don’t listen to theses experts opinions all the time get it appraised and certified 

Even if the coin is what you say, as a piece of jewelry it's not worth as much as if it was certified and graded.  And the authenticity is still in doubt.

[Sandon]

On 3/26/2023 at 10:00 AM, bobbyboshay said:

Thanks for your opinion but this time you’re are wrong been certified and appraised  with the certificate of authenticity and it’s silver  so everyone please don’t listen to theses experts opinions all the time get it appraised and certified 

    It's been six days, and we still haven't seen the "certificate of authenticity". As @bobbyboshay can post photos of coins and necklaces, he should be able to post images of documents as well.

On 3/26/2023 at 1:30 PM, bobbyboshay said:

And you wrong agin took it a coin dealer in Charlotte North Carolina he verified it authentication also

    The dealer remains unidentified. If his opinion was in writing, we haven't seen it.

On 3/31/2023 at 9:24 PM, bobbyboshay said:

Look sir there was never any doubt also if the coin was not real money back was guarantee

   The "money back guarantee" hasn't been posted either, nor has the seller even been identified. If there is such a guarantee, perhaps @bobbyboshay should avail himself of it!

   So far, we haven't seen a shred of evidence that the coin in the necklace is a genuine Athenian tetradrachm. Repeated statements that the several members of this forum who have expressed the opinion that it doesn't appear to be genuine are "wrong" don't prove that they are. If you wished to embarrass us--which you couldn't in any event given that our freely given opinions are only based upon photos--you have failed. If you have the certificate, opinion and guarantee to which you refer, why wouldn't you post them?

[bobbyboshay]

I hope this will shout up all the  big mouth know it all but don’t know mess Mr Experts 

[J P M]

On 4/1/2023 at 6:32 PM, bobbyboshay said:

I hope this will shout up all the  big mouth know it all but don’t know mess Mr Experts 

What are we looking at Bob ?

[bobbyboshay]

Look sir there was never any doubt also if the coin was not real money back was guarantee this post was just a post to educate people In not believing in the opinions of all the people who have something to say in a negative light as if they have all the answers which they don’t   so with that said thanks for your maturity in responding to just all of the comments .

[bobbyboshay]

If you don’t know what you’re looking at then you don’t know what this tetra is made of Wow  

[Fenntucky Mike]

On 4/1/2023 at 6:47 PM, J P M said:

What are we looking at Bob ?

Supposed composition of said coin. 

I don't know enough about these to say if 98.4% silver and 1.6% lead is the correct composition for an authentic Athenian tetradrachm, but if it was that alone would not prove the coin is authentic. It only shows how little the OP knows or cares about researching a subject. Or helping and/or educating others for that matter.  

Bobby, those results do not prove the coin is real, neither does a money back guarantee, and unless you can provide more information and better images this thread is done. 

[bobbyboshay]

All the experts here all the evidence you need I hope this will help you all in the future because you come to conclusions about things you don’t know about about. Thanks for all your help I appreciate all your opinions 

[bobbyboshay]

This was the Bezel and the coin 

[bobbyboshay]

I understand but a certificate won’t solve this issue either which I do have one  but not posting because I feel that the is giving up to much information about the seller who has nothing to do with this issue 

[J P M]

On 4/1/2023 at 7:00 PM, bobbyboshay said:

If you don’t know what you’re looking at then you don’t know what this tetra is made of Wow  

I can see the results Bob. I just cant see the object you are testing it is not in the photo

Edited April 2, 2023 by J P M

[bobbyboshay]

No problem I will take it back to tomorrow and get it with the pictures so it’s not enough I will take care of it tomorrow 

[Coinbuf]

What a great April fools post!  

On 4/1/2023 at 5:38 PM, bobbyboshay said:

No problem I will take it back to tomorrow and get it with the pictures so it’s not enough I will take care of it tomorrow 

Tomorrow is Sunday, what jeweler is open on Sunday?   You can solve this by simply posting the document that you claim proves your position, by not doing so you reduce your credibility to zero, goose egg, zip.

[J P M]

On 4/1/2023 at 8:38 PM, bobbyboshay said:

No problem I will take it back to tomorrow and get it with the pictures so it’s not enough I will take care of it tomorrow 

You can run all over Bob but it will not change anything. What Mike said is pertinent. Research other examples, get more information. Then you will know better what others here are trying to explain.   

On 4/1/2023 at 7:10 PM, Fenntucky Mike said:

Supposed composition of said coin. 

I don't know enough about these to say if 98.4% silver and 1.6% lead is the correct composition for an authentic Athenian tetradrachm, but if it was that alone would not prove the coin is authentic. It only shows how little the OP knows or cares about researching a subject. Or helping and/or educating others for that matter.  

Bobby, those results do not prove the coin is real, neither does a money back guarantee, and unless you can provide more information and better images this thread is done. 

 

[bobbyboshay]

It’s not done until I say so  won’t be satisfied until. It’s NGCStamp won’t happen 

[Henri Charriere]

Why is it so important that a bunch of people you've never gotten to know over the past five years, much less had the pleasure of having opinions spewed at you so skewed they fail to hew with the line you're looking for mean so much to you? Who cares? You've got a written receipt, a return policy----even a coa.  Would it make you happier if we started a GoFundme shtick and reimbursed you for every dollar you paid for that thing?  A social media forum is by no means a suitable substitute for an opinion rendered by an experienced, professional and practiced grader.

[7.jaguars]

I probably should not rise to the bait, but this post has irritated me. While it is true we have only some less than satisfactory pictures to go from, I too agree that this absolutely is NOT an authentic tetradrachm, and have been collecting coins as well as doing catalogue work for well in excess of 50 years. I have no stake in this game other than to hopefully bring yet another entirely independent perspective to this post.

The metal analysis of an unknown coin (as pointed out, said coin is NOT even in your photographs) does NOT support your case. Usual alloys FYI consisted of trace element of lead, gold, copper and bismuth amongst others, and generally not binary such as may be the case of your coin. But neither this bit nor even a putative certificate of authenticity or return guarantee support the case of this being an authentic coin. 

And this does not address the evident ego component invested within your responses. Perhaps you might think of opening your mind and considering the possibility of falseness with regards to this coin and then look with care at the lines of evidence that have been suggested by respondents. I am only suggesting that possibly a more logical approach would be of benefit to you in considering the balance of characteristics of such a coin & perhaps not just dismissing those opinions provided.

More than likely ALL of the responding posters wish that you indeed had an authentic coin. I am not sure why you persist in such a "fighting mode" in your responses. I doubt that you will take the time, but if you actually look at a number of certified coins, and even a few more raw specimens that you might grow from the experience.

[Henri Charriere]

On 4/2/2023 at 11:30 AM, 7.jaguars said:

.... but this post has irritated me. 

I only have two questions. Both impertinent; neither irritating.

1.  How much did he pay for this artifact?

2.  How long had this gentleman been a member when he posted his query? (multiple choice)  a).  Five minutes.  b).  Five months.  c).  Nearly five years.

[Note:  I should like to take this opportunity to thank long-time member @James_OldeTowne for delineating in plain language the critical distinction between buying "sight-seen" and "sight-unseen."]

Edited April 2, 2023 by Henri CHARRIERE
Addition of edit.

[Sandon]

@bobbyboshay--You might want to review the following topic to see how another member properly and successfully dealt with a similar question of authenticity:

   This is another situation where I thought that the member's coins were likely fake, while admitting that I'm not an expert on this type of coin. As I and other members recommended, he obtained a legitimate expert's opinion, and the coins were found to be genuine.  You might want to obtain such an opinion for your own sake, especially if you paid a lot for this item and have a "money-back guarantee".  Note also that the member didn't find it necessary to belittle us and insist that we are just "wrong". Whether or not you share the results with us is up to you.

[bobbyboshay]

Ok all you Experts  now do the math I hope this satisfies the curiosity this is how you kill the cats 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂  is this real life? is this just a fantasy? Caught in a landslide,  no escape from reality open your eye’s lookup to the skies and see I’m just a poor boy I need no any sympathy because I’m easy come easy go  little high little low any ways the wind blows doesn’t really matter to me  to me 

[Henri Charriere]

My only regret is not knowing what the member another has characterized as speaking ex cathedra, at times, would make of all this. He was not only unimpressed with the unveiling of the Mint-sealed canvas bag containing 1964 silver halves----filmed live for the benefit of posterity, he fairly well scoffed at the very idea the spectacle proved authenticity of any kind.

To the OP:  I am inclined to give you the benefit of the doubt based both on your documentary showmanship and spunk as a newly-minted member.  After all, if your evidence could not withstand scrutiny, the loss would be yours and ours.  Thanks for the follow-up.

Edited April 6, 2023 by Henri Charriere
Correct typos.

[J P M]

Cool it looks like it has all the numbers and we get a Queen song to go with it.

[Henri Charriere]

On 4/6/2023 at 9:01 AM, J P M said:

Cool it looks like it has all the numbers and we get a Queen song to go with it.

... as well as a plethora of grinning faces and a cryptic note which may pique the interest of @RWB :  " .... this is how you kill the [presumably feral] cats...."  🤣