Late Die stages. 1 1

[Origami Master]

Do late die stages in Lincon cents in which most of the details of the designs are missing have any value?

[Coinbuf]

No.  No value above face value.

Edited November 16, 2022 by Coinbuf

[Greenstang]

Late Die Stages are a die event and add no value to the coin.

[JKK]

Nah.

[Sandon]

   I agree with those who have previously responded. However, an exception would be the 1922 "Plain" or "No D" cent, which resulted from worn and repolished dies that produced coins on which the mint mark was practically invisible.  If it were up to me, that one would have no value either. I've never wanted one. 

[BillJones]

The one big exception is the 1922 Plain cent. That was made from three wore out 1922-D dies that lost their “D” mint marks in addition to other design details. 

[Greenstang]

True but Late Die Stages are different from a polished die.

You could include the 3 Leg Buffalo in that category if you are looking at polished dies.

[zadok]

,,,late die stages...due to normal die deterioration n prolonged use of the die, not due to polishing of the die...in most cases minimal increased value if any, except in cases of "terminal" die state, there r collectors that specialize in coins struck from the last vestiges of die use...particularly in the bust n seated series, several collectors i know attempt to assemble sets showing the deterioration of the die often acquiring 10-15-20 coins in the various stages, usually of coins known to have "shattered" dies...in the recent McCloskey auction some "terminal" n "shattered" die coins brought substantial premiums....

[RWB]

Were "Late Die stages" part of the reason for the Pony Express ?

[EagleRJO]

On 11/16/2022 at 10:47 AM, RWB said:

Were "Late Die stages" part of the reason for the Pony Express ?

I have some "Stage Coach" labeled Morgans if that counts. 

 

[EagleRJO]

On 11/16/2022 at 8:05 AM, zadok said:

,,, there r collectors that specialize in coins struck from the last vestiges of die use...particularly in the bust n seated series, several collectors i know attempt to assemble sets showing the deterioration of the die often acquiring 10-15-20 coins in the various stages ...

Interesting ... they must be pretty difficult to assemble sets.

[Sandon]

    I think that what @RWB means by his "Pony Express" comment is that the correct terminology is die "states", not die "stages", as in coaches. 

   @Origami Master's question was about Lincoln cents, of which specimens from worn dies are generally disfavored by collectors.  However, there are specialists who collect early (especially pre-1837) U.S. coins by die states.  These specialists especially seek coins featuring the last known or "terminal" die state, which were struck shortly before the dies were retired or shattered.  Such coins usually feature numerous interesting die cracks and "cuds" due to pieces having fallen out of the dies.  Modern dies are more resilient and tend to tend to just produce lousy looking coins that lack luster and detail in their late states.

Edited November 16, 2022 by Sandon
At the end I said "stages" too.