Voelker Posted August 8, 2020 Share Posted August 8, 2020 (edited) I have, what I believe, might be a very rare error. If anybody can find information on this please let me know Coin is an 1884 3 cent nickel. It has a double die on the date. I've included pics. On the full coin it just makes the date look a bit fudgy. On the 30x pic it's more evident. The 60x pic is almost too blurry to be of help. Am thinking of having graded but don't know a declared value. Edited August 8, 2020 by Voelker Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Voelker Posted August 8, 2020 Author Share Posted August 8, 2020 Pic 2 - Full coin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Voelker Posted August 8, 2020 Author Share Posted August 8, 2020 Pic 3 - 60x Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Voelker Posted August 8, 2020 Author Share Posted August 8, 2020 Well, I've been looking at pics of other pieces of the same years and I'm starting to think these might be modified. Every piece I look up pics of have crisp numbers. All the ones I have the numbers look similar to the one pictured. Has anybody seen ones like this or am I looking at them too hard and trying to find issues not there? Any help would be appreciated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greenstang Posted August 8, 2020 Share Posted August 8, 2020 Quote Well, I've been looking at pics of other pieces of the same years and I'm starting to think these might be modified Or possibly counterfeit I know that counterfeits of these were made. In any case it would not be a DD as there were only about 1700 Business strikes produced, so there was more than likely only one die that struck all the coins. The date is definitely different from an original. Perhaps one of our members with more experience in the 3 cent nickels can weigh in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kbbpll Posted August 8, 2020 Share Posted August 8, 2020 Post better images of both sides, outside of the capsule if it's easy to open. I don't have experience with these either but I think it's counterfeit. This is a $1000+ coin even in VF and the date and letters look wrong. I wouldn't worry about doubling in the date until we can figure out if it's real. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coinbuf Posted August 8, 2020 Share Posted August 8, 2020 If its real then I would think a repunched date would be more likely than a DDO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Just Bob Posted August 8, 2020 Share Posted August 8, 2020 The date looks all wrong. It is not only much fatter, but the numbers, especially the "1," are the wrong shape, and the "4" is in the wrong place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RWB Posted August 8, 2020 Share Posted August 8, 2020 Counterfeit CuNi 3 cent and 5 cent were a persistent problem through the 1920s. There are many letters in mint archives concerning the problem. Your item appears to be fake, based on the photos. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Henri Charriere Posted August 9, 2020 Share Posted August 9, 2020 (edited) 19 hours ago, Voelker said: I have, what I believe, might be a very rare error. If anybody can find information on this please let me know Coin is an 1884 3 cent nickel. It has a double die on the date. I've included pics. On the full coin it just makes the date look a bit fudgy. On the 30x pic it's more evident. The 60x pic is almost too blurry to be of help. Am thinking of having graded but don't know a declared value. [Another 30x user! Very handy tool. Nice to know I am not the only one. Do hope you get the answer you seek.] 19 hours ago, Voelker said: Edited August 9, 2020 by Quintus Arrius Duplication Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Conder101 Posted August 10, 2020 Share Posted August 10, 2020 According to Gifford, both the proof and business strike dies used the same four digit logotype punch (and he only lists two obv dies, both used to strike proof and one to strike business strikes) This punch doesn't match. Odds are very likely this is a recent counterfeit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Voelker Posted September 10, 2020 Author Share Posted September 10, 2020 On 8/10/2020 at 7:07 PM, Conder101 said: According to Gifford, both the proof and business strike dies used the same four digit logotype punch (and he only lists two obv dies, both used to strike proof and one to strike business strikes) This punch doesn't match. Odds are very likely this is a recent counterfeit Yup, I sent it off and it was deemed a struck copy. $50 wasted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James_OldeTowne Posted September 11, 2020 Share Posted September 11, 2020 I hate to say it, and of course, this is going by photos only (the coin not in-hand), but that's a pretty decent fake. I own some recent counterfeits as well and need to dig them out for comparison. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
