Bugs Bunny Franklin GTG

[Danye West]

A recent acquisition of mine. Wondering if there was a possible upgrade in it.

[physics-fan3.14]

Kind of hard to judge with that style of photography - it is emphasizing the toning, but hides the luster and marks. I will say though - that is a nice, strong BB!

 

My best guess of grade will be 63 or 64. The numerous fingerprints on obverse and reverse really kill the eye appeal for me, as does the spots behind Ben's head. The TPGs don't punish fingerprints as much as they should, so its probably a 64.

 

It looks FBL at PCGS, not at NGC.

[Afterword]

MS 64 - MS 65. Possibly a FB.

[Danye West]

Kind of hard to judge with that style of photography - it is emphasizing the toning, but hides the luster and marks. I will say though - that is a nice, strong BB!

 

My best guess of grade will be 63 or 64. The numerous fingerprints on obverse and reverse really kill the eye appeal for me, as does the spots behind Ben's head. The TPGs don't punish fingerprints as much as they should, so its probably a 64.

 

It looks FBL at PCGS, not at NGC.

 

So are these grades (I don't know how to quote 2 posts) based on the fingerprints?

[physics-fan3.14]

Kind of hard to judge with that style of photography - it is emphasizing the toning, but hides the luster and marks. I will say though - that is a nice, strong BB!

 

My best guess of grade will be 63 or 64. The numerous fingerprints on obverse and reverse really kill the eye appeal for me, as does the spots behind Ben's head. The TPGs don't punish fingerprints as much as they should, so its probably a 64.

 

It looks FBL at PCGS, not at NGC.

 

So are these grades (I don't know how to quote 2 posts) based on the fingerprints?

 

Mine is; I can't speak for afterword. The negative eye appeal of the fingerprints drives the grade down for me - but a lot of collectors (and TPGs) feel differently and don't punish them as much as I do.

 

I am also being conservative with the grade because I just can't see the surface well, so I err on the side of caution.

[coinman_23885]

PCGS: MS65 FBL

NGC: MS65

[Afterword]

I do not find the fingerprints (if that is what they are) distracting, and I do not believe it will affect the grade.

[coinman1794]

This should grade MS64+ or MS65, assuming the pictures are not hiding any marks. It is even more dubious to try to evaluate bell lines from a photograph, as they disappear at certain angles and lighting conditions.

 

The chalky old-time prints and roll haze/residues seen here rarely seem to affect the grades assigned by the TPGs, rightly or wrongly so.

[Danye West]

I haven't gotten it yet, I can post surface pics when I do.

[johnny9434]

ms 64 ( kinda hard to tell from here )

[Danye West]

This is the coin. I'll post surface pics, I know these aren't the best images.

[AHFreak]

It looks like a solid 65FBL to me.... for anyone questioning the FBL designation, we all know it's the bottom set of lines we are looking at correct?

[coinman1794]

I would leave this piece alone at the MS65FBL level. The luster grazes on the lower bell are enough to prevent MS66 in most cases. Send it to CAC and get a green been on this old holder!

[coinman_23885]

It looks like a solid 65FBL to me.... for anyone questioning the FBL designation, we all know it's the bottom set of lines we are looking at correct?

 

For PCGS and CAC standards, yes. NGC also requires that the upper set of bell lines be complete for its FBL designation. This is why I called it MS65 FBL by PCGS standards and MS65 by NGC standards.

[Danye West]

I would leave this piece alone at the MS65FBL level. The luster grazes on the lower bell are enough to prevent MS66 in most cases. Send it to CAC and get a green been on this old holder!

 

I've never mailed anything in. I always submit at the shows. Does anyone know if CAC will be at Long Beach?

[coinman_23885]

I would leave this piece alone at the MS65FBL level. The luster grazes on the lower bell are enough to prevent MS66 in most cases. Send it to CAC and get a green been on this old holder!

 

I've never mailed anything in. I always submit at the shows. Does anyone know if CAC will be at Long Beach?

 

CAC hasn't done a show in a long, long time. You either need to obtain submission privileges yourself (there is a waitlist) or have a dealer submit it for you. To be honest, I don't see this receiving a gold sticker. I am not sure that a CAC green sticker would do much for a $100 coin. IMHO, CAC offers are also more conservative than they once were with their offering price, so I don't really see much value to a green sticker on less expensive material although it hasn't always been that way.

[coinman1794]

I would leave this piece alone at the MS65FBL level. The luster grazes on the lower bell are enough to prevent MS66 in most cases. Send it to CAC and get a green been on this old holder!

 

I've never mailed anything in. I always submit at the shows. Does anyone know if CAC will be at Long Beach?

 

CAC hasn't done a show in a long, long time. You either need to obtain submission privileges yourself (there is a waitlist) or have a dealer submit it for you. To be honest, I don't see this receiving a gold sticker. I am not sure that a CAC green sticker would do much for a $100 coin. IMHO, CAC offers are also more conservative than they once were with their offering price, so I don't really see much value to a green sticker on less expensive material although it hasn't always been that way.

 

In MS65FBL this is a $200-$300 coin.

[coinman_23885]

In MS65FBL this is a $200-$300 coin.

 

What are you basing your evaluation on? The last two to sell per PCGS Coin Facts sold for less than $100, and your pricing seems consistent with MS66 FBL.

 

Edited: Never mind; I was not awarding any premium for the variety. Mea culpa.

[coinman1794]

In MS65FBL this is a $200-$300 coin.

 

What are you basing your evaluation on? The last two to sell per PCGS Coin Facts sold for less than $100, and your pricing seems consistent with MS66 FBL.

 

Edited: Never mind; I was not awarding any premium for the variety. Mea culpa.

 

Yep, its an FS-401. Granted, it's a little harder to get full price because the variety is not on the holder; but at the same time, it would be a shame to loose the green holder!

[Danye West]

In MS65FBL this is a $200-$300 coin.

 

What are you basing your evaluation on? The last two to sell per PCGS Coin Facts sold for less than $100, and your pricing seems consistent with MS66 FBL.

 

Edited: Never mind; I was not awarding any premium for the variety. Mea culpa.

 

Yep, its an FS-401. Granted, it's a little harder to get full price because the variety is not on the holder; but at the same time, it would be a shame to loose the green holder!

 

I am happy with the coin being in that holder, not being so confident it will upgrade. I think the point about the prints and luster grazes is totally right. I also thought for a second there that I had overpaid!