Who can answer this? posted by The Wells Collection

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A Question

 

I own 2 proof indian head pennies, one in my set and another that they will not let me add.

 

The one they won't let me add is a 1891 proof details, altered color. I have seen other sets with details coins in them alongside non-details coins. Are the proofs special or something or am I just doing something wrong.

 

Thanks

 

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[Yevrah1]

Is it a proof set?

 

 

[Ultra Cameo Collection]

Yep, the first set in my collection. I only have 1 coin currently in that set, but would like to add this one as well.

[TD Henson]

Use the Contact link - it's kind of hidden in the top right of your main page. I've used it very successfully with problems like this occur. I recently had a cert number that a set wouldn't accept as valid, but it showed in the NGC DB. They researched it and found that the certification # had changed during a re-holder but somehow the old number was put on the holder. Within 48 hours it was fixed and in my set.

 

Todd

[TD Henson]

One final comment - details coins are eligible for proper slots at half the point value I believe. I've had several over the last few years reside in my sets from time to time.

[Ultra Cameo Collection]

Thanks I will try that, I knew they were worth less points but I still wanted to have it in my set so that 1 coin wouldn't be so lonely.

[Ultra Cameo Collection]

I sent a message and then less than 2 hours later I get a message that my coin was added to my set.

 

Problem must have been on their side, but once again I am happy with NGC and their service.

 

Thanks TD Henson for the advice that should have came to me on my own but never seems to. I'm glad I could put this coin in its home.

[jackson64]

Maybe the issue was that as a proof coin--it actually has no grade at all.

 

 

Details coins get 50% of the value of coins in the same grade but without issues...example==== an XF40 coin at 800 points would see a XF details coin get 400 points...

 

.........however......... with a "proof details" coin there is huge ambiguity. There is no actual numeric or point grade to assign and divide in half. Maybe the coin should get a PF63 details grade and then divide the points given to a PF63 in half?

 

I don't see how they remedied this without just making up a random number of points...how many points did they give and at what level of proof grade is it 50% of if they did?...just curious...

[Ultra Cameo Collection]

It is 50% of PF60, so very low points. I didn't buy it for the points, I liked how it looked and it was cheap. Someday there may be a process that can remove the alteration, strip it down to bare copper and actually grade it. I bet there is some amazing reverse electroplating process that takes microns of alteration/oxide off that is better than dipping to remove toning.

 

There may even be marks/scratches associated with the original alteration. The strangest of things passes through my head as I look at this coin.

 

I also bought it because there are only 2350 of these ever made.

 

The pic I posted is not the best, check it out in my sets and it has the teletrade pic that made me buy it.

 

http://coins.www.collectors-society.com/WCM/CoinView.aspx?PeopleSetCoinID=1565793

[jackson64]

no need for justifying buying a details grade coin--I have more than one coin that is either a tougher date that may be lightly cleaned or have an old cleaning and is regaining patina--also I have more than one coin which says "questionable color" which I believe to be natural.....

 

PS: there is an electro-process coin cleaning.....maybe even NCS does it--it may be worth a call to them