GTG on this $5 Indian

[JIM F.]

It is in an old NGC Fatty holder.

 

GTG.

 

Thanks for looking.

[jom]

I assume it's a 14D but I can't tell exactly.

 

I'd grade it AU. Since it's an NGC I'll say 55 or 58...maybe less. I'm concerned though how they would evaluate the marks/hits.

 

jom

[Mark T]

Au 53

[JIM F.]

It is a 1914-D.

 

Keep the guesses coming...no one has it correct yet.

 

It is graded higher than all the guesses.

 

Thank You.

 

[Mark T]

I am going to tell you something you probably won’t want to hear – I think the coin may have been puttied. It is very difficult to confirm that based on a photo however the cheek sure looks suspicious to me as does the different shades of yellow gold. I base this opinion on a puttied Indians that I once owned that were confirmed puttied by CAC. One was an MS61 the other MS 62 . Would really need to see it in hand.

One other note – I know that the strike on the Eagles wing top can be weak but that looks more than just a weak strike. If the coin is MS I think its over graded.

I am really curious to see what NGC graded this one.

[JIM F.]

Hint. It is not a branch-mint Proof. But if in your opinion, you can certainly market it as such!

 

 

 

[physics-fan3.14]

Based solely on the pictures, it is an AU-55.

[Coindude]

53 - 55

[HULLCOINS-migration]

You're post emplies that NGC graded it MS. Based on the pics, I think it is overgraded, maybe an Old holder that is overgraded. It looks AU. Great detail, but to me, wear.

[JIM F.]

NGC graded it MS-60.

 

 

[FishyOne]

NGC graded it MS-60.

 

 

MS60 Details?

[JIM F.]

NGC graded it MS-60.

 

 

MS60 Details?

 

No. NGC MS-60 (no problem). Old fatty holder.

 

[coinman_23885]

I think the coin may have been puttied. It is very difficult to confirm that based on a photo however the cheek sure looks suspicious to me as does the different shades of yellow gold.

 

This was my first thought as well.

[Mark T]

NGC graded it MS-60.

 

 

 

It is rare that I will disagree with a grade given based only on a photo but in this case I think NGC dropped that ball on this one. Price difference between AU and MS 60 is minimal.

[MarkFeld]

I think the coin may have been puttied. It is very difficult to confirm that based on a photo however the cheek sure looks suspicious to me as does the different shades of yellow gold.

 

This was my first thought as well.

 

I would have guessed AU58 for the grade and see no indication of putty having been applied.

 

I don't see the hazy and/or discolored areas that I would expect from putty, which has turned. And the Indian's cheek merely looks flat, as is often or usually the case, even for uncirculated examples. So I don't understand why you gentlemen are suspicious.

[coinman_23885]

I think the coin may have been puttied. It is very difficult to confirm that based on a photo however the cheek sure looks suspicious to me as does the different shades of yellow gold.

 

This was my first thought as well.

 

I would have guessed AU58 for the grade and see no indication of putty having been applied.

 

I don't see the hazy and/or discolored areas that I would expect from putty, which has turned. And the Indian's cheek merely looks flat, as is often or usually the case, even for uncirculated examples. So I don't understand why you gentlemen are suspicious.

 

Maybe it's my monitor (or a poor interpretation of the less than ideal images), but my comments were based on what I perceived to be a discoloration, especially on the obverse devices. The discoloration did not seem to be from rub or any normal process. Also, it did look hazy towards the neck of the bust. I would appreciate any thoughts as to what I am missing. In the meantime, I am going to attempt to view this on another computer and with different lighting.

 

As always, I appreciate any critiques or insight.

[Mark T]

I think the coin may have been puttied. It is very difficult to confirm that based on a photo however the cheek sure looks suspicious to me as does the different shades of yellow gold.

 

This was my first thought as well.

 

I would have guessed AU58 for the grade and see no indication of putty having been applied.

 

I don't see the hazy and/or discolored areas that I would expect from putty, which has turned. And the Indian's cheek merely looks flat, as is often or usually the case, even for uncirculated examples. So I don't understand why you gentlemen are suspicious.

 

 

I had a MS 61 1911 D with a similar look – it was puttied. Based on the photos this coin looked suspicious – no way to really know unless you have the coin in hand. All my puttied Eagles were in PCGS holders.