EVillageProwler Posted November 21, 2002 Share Posted November 21, 2002 The Seated Half Dimes, minus the unique '70-S and the transitional '59 and '60 pieces, is probably the easiest of the Seated MS sets to complete in terms budget and availability. Yes, even easier than the wimpy twenty-cent pieces because that set has the '76-CC. (Why are we even wasting time thinking about that series? Only TDN cares, and only for the proofs!) For grades AU and MS, name the keys to this set. Prize: knowledge! EVP Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coppercoins-migration Posted November 21, 2002 Share Posted November 21, 2002 1860-O, 1872-CC, 1885-S. Honorable mention to the 1838-O (no stars), 1842-O, 1844, 1859-S, and 1867. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EVillageProwler Posted November 21, 2002 Author Share Posted November 21, 2002 Charles, The question pertains to HALF dimes. From the dates you mentioned, I can't figure out which series you're thinking of. EVP Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coppercoins-migration Posted November 21, 2002 Share Posted November 21, 2002 PHLEEACHH... I was thinking of the DIMES. drats! 1844-O, 1846, 1853-O (no arrows), honorable mention to the 1849-O Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oldtrader3 Posted November 21, 2002 Share Posted November 21, 2002 The 1840-O, 44-O, 46-P, 49-O, 52-O, 53-O no Arrows and 58-repunched date. Generally speaking, the "O" Mint coins have it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EVillageProwler Posted November 21, 2002 Author Share Posted November 21, 2002 Charles, Which '40-O? And, I wouldn't consider the '58 DD a key date. It's just not that tough, despite the pricing. EVP Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted November 21, 2002 Share Posted November 21, 2002 EVP, I could cheat and consult any number of books but this is off the top of my head: 38-0, 40-0 WD (always loved this date), 42-0 (full heads are super rare), 44-0, 46, 52-0 (I like this one but not a great rarity), 53-0 na (usually doggy), 64, 65, 66, 67 (the last 4 in circ only as in proof they're easy!). Those are my choices for AU. In mint state the above are all rare too if not almost non-existant. The 64-67 are easier to find in MS than in circ. I'd also toss in the following in UNC as keys: 39-0, 40-0nd, 41-0, 50-0. Might have missed one of the later S mints like 65-s or 64-s. A small hoard of flat head 42-0's surfaced back in the 80's with Heritage. That's the only reason a few of those are around today. The 38-0, 40-0 wd, 44-0, and 53-0 na are deusies in unc. I don't know if a 40-0 wd or 44-0 exist. roadrunner Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keithdagen Posted November 21, 2002 Share Posted November 21, 2002 How many keys you want?? In AU, 1838-O No Stars, 1840-O Drapery, 1842-O, 1844-O (biggie), 1846 (granddaddy), 1849-O, and 1853-O No Arrows (biggie). Many dates around the Civil War are semi-key. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EVillageProwler Posted November 21, 2002 Author Share Posted November 21, 2002 EVP, I could cheat and consult any number of books I encourage cheating, especially if that means we're enhancing knowledge. I am, after all, using the article written by O'Donnell in the 6/99 CDN Monthly Supplemental... Anyone else care to chime in? RR isn't the only one who knows Seated material, is he? EVP Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coppercoins-migration Posted November 21, 2002 Share Posted November 21, 2002 Charles, Which '40-O? And, I wouldn't consider the '58 DD a key date. It's just not that tough, despite the pricing. EVP Umm...that weren't my post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EVillageProwler Posted November 21, 2002 Author Share Posted November 21, 2002 Many dates around the Civil War are semi-key. Keith, Many folks seem to like them, but I don't really care for them either. I'd probably consider them semi-keys. Yet, O'Donnell seems to really like them. (I am loath to disagree with someone with his superb knowledge of the series!) I hope Coinosaurus would join in... I think he'd like this question! EVP Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted November 21, 2002 Share Posted November 21, 2002 I can see that since I looked real close at half dime pops that unc examples of every date "exist." And up to several of each. I would think twice about the 40-0 WD as this date comes doggy and I'd suspect that even the MS61 and 63 pieces graded might not meet everyone's definition of UNC. Suffice to say there is no gem of this date graded yet. That would be a treat. The set can be put together in nice AU to Mint State w/o the 1870-s of course. roadrunner Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michael Posted November 21, 2002 Share Posted November 21, 2002 for me the seated half dimes legend obverse 1860 to 1873-s is a super rare almost impossible set to get in superb gem mintstate let alone coins that are fully original thick skinned wihte and/or nicely toned these coins are totally undervalued and underappreacited and destined one day for a better apprecaition now for me when i am talking about the above i am talkingf about either fully original wildly toned or fully original thick skinned white coins go try to find a fully original suberb gem ms 66 67 1873-s ............ they are super rare in 30 years i have only seen one! white thick skinned with great eye appeal and fully struck a great coin as it is the sexy 1873 date also the last coin in the series and an s mint also for me the first date in the series the 1860 another sexy civil war date in superb gem so called common date well try to find this coin in 67/68 monster toned original or fully original and white just impossible even with being the so called most common coin in the series if you look at the pcgs pop reports the legend obv 1860 to 1873 little half sister is rare in 66 and practically non existant in 67 and the holy grail in 68!!!!!! no more than two people if that could put together a set in superb gem well no one could as some dates even do not exist in 65 and i am sure with my standards some superb gem coins would not be so to me............. also therre is a set pcgs put togswther in the mid 1990's that has all the finest coins graded pcgs that is put away so to outdo this set would be impossible one of a kind!!!!!! look at the 65-s the 67-s i mean they just do not exist in gem! if you ever get to rochester i could show you a suppposedely common date superb gem to ultra superb gem mintstate seated half dimes that are monster toned to fully original thick white skinned milky surfaces that are the finest and then some and you could not in two lifetimes find other coins better and most probably as good!! let alone the rarer dates!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! i mean even in choice unc not even gem some to most of these coins are rare!!!!!!!!!!!! i guess you and i have a great difference of opinion on these but you and i can still be friends!!!!!!!!!!!! maybe they are not popular and underapprecaited as they are one of the most impossible sets to complete even in choice ms!! sincerely michael Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EVillageProwler Posted November 21, 2002 Author Share Posted November 21, 2002 Umm...that weren't my post. Different Charles. Oldtrader3 is Charles Robbins... You are, well, you know who you are! EVP Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EVillageProwler Posted November 21, 2002 Author Share Posted November 21, 2002 Michael, Your enthusiam for coins, especially sure fresh and original gem specimens is precious and refreshing! I love your comments!!! EVP Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EVillageProwler Posted November 21, 2002 Author Share Posted November 21, 2002 How many keys you want?? As many as one might consider, I suppose. My intent is to create a discussion on this series that relatively affordable... EVP Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keithdagen Posted November 21, 2002 Share Posted November 21, 2002 My intent is to create a discussion on this series that relatively affordable... My favorite thing about half dimes is that they are cheap enough that you can get stronger glasses to look at them as well as the coin. Don't get me wrong, I like the ones I have (well, 2 of the 3), but darn it, they are so tiny it is hard to appreciate the designs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EVillageProwler Posted November 21, 2002 Author Share Posted November 21, 2002 Keith, ! I never look at my half dimes. Too small. I love my dollars though... EVP Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted November 21, 2002 Share Posted November 21, 2002 Michael is probably right on this as even for the most common dates, unscrewed with originals with eye appeal are rare enough. I remember NERCG breaking a roll of 1860-0 half dimes in the later 1970's. I thought that was incredible. Of course they were asking a ton of dough for each one. If not for that little hoard, 60-0's would probably be much tougher to find. I had Heritage send me a few of those flat head 42-0 half dimes to possibly purchase back in the mid-80's but I couldn't get past a flat head coin for something like $6-8K....they were blazing gem coins otherwise......most have been graded 64 or 65 since then. One full head PCGS65 42-0 recently sold at auction for well over $10K. I've spent more time surveying the quarters and the same holds true for them. Original skinned whitish coins just don't exist in any significant quantity for any of the better dates. I own only one such coin myself and can't think of any other ones offhand that I have seen on better Philly, New Orleans, or S-mint coins. Most have been either cleaned, dipped, or toned in the ensuing years. roadrunner Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keithdagen Posted November 21, 2002 Share Posted November 21, 2002 Personal favorite Half Dime from Type collection: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EVillageProwler Posted November 21, 2002 Author Share Posted November 21, 2002 very pretty coin... evp Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keithdagen Posted November 21, 2002 Share Posted November 21, 2002 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SeanJ Posted November 21, 2002 Share Posted November 21, 2002 40-O WD 38-O (not as tough but still "rare" enough to be considered) 44-O 46 49-O 53-O N/A 64 (avaliable yet still tough) 67 (same comments as above) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toyonakataro Posted November 21, 2002 Share Posted November 21, 2002 40-o(both drapery and no drapery) 46 48-o(under valued) 53-o(no arrows) 63-s 64 64-s 66 71-s Just my opinion Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toyonakataro Posted November 21, 2002 Share Posted November 21, 2002 Very nice coin, Mr.Keith Dagen!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keithdagen Posted November 21, 2002 Share Posted November 21, 2002 Thanks, I picked it up for the color, the strike itself isn't that great, but overall, it's a neat Type piece. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michael Posted November 22, 2002 Share Posted November 22, 2002 hi there roadrunner!!! and evp! hope to meet you both one day also evp i guess i really went crazy on the halfdime post......... but as usual you are not only an astute advanced collector with great taste in coins you always have something great and informative and extremely intetresting to say on here you never take anything the wrong way and are a sport and a gentleman!! thanks and hope no matter waht you continue to post on here sincerely and respectfdully michael Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
