EVillageProwler Posted November 12, 2002 Share Posted November 12, 2002 I just received a coin from Keoj that I am happy with. It's an 1876 Trade Dollar, II/II, graded MS61 by NGC. The coin has pretty original colors. The rev has a nice satiny cartwheel, while the obv has a nice slight PL sheen. Marks-wise, I'd have to say that NGC reared its ugly PCGS head for this one. I'd have to agree with Keoj that this coin is really a 62. The strike, on the other hand, is not good. Localized weakness on the high points may make this a slider. Perhaps 61 was a compromise grade? I also have pics. When I get around to it, I'll try to post them. EVP PS Does anyone know if weakness of strike is typical for this variety? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EVillageProwler Posted November 12, 2002 Author Share Posted November 12, 2002 I got an email from Keoj. Apparently, his MS63 specimen is also weakly struck. There is also an MS65 specimen in the collection of a major West Coast specialist. (No, not TDN.) EVP PS I tried to add the files, but they were too big. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shirohniichan Posted November 12, 2002 Share Posted November 12, 2002 Congrats! I know the coin, and I'm glad to know it's in good hands. See if you can post the images in a reduced size. I'm really interested to see where the strike weakness is. I have a big scan of the prooflike MS-61 that was in the B&M auction last fall, and I'd like to compare it and yours to the cleaned AU coin I picked up earlier this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EVillageProwler Posted November 12, 2002 Author Share Posted November 12, 2002 Shiroh, If you PM me your email addr, I will email you what Keoj send me. EVP Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keithdagen Posted November 12, 2002 Share Posted November 12, 2002 EVP -- e-mail me those pics and I'll throw them on my web hosting site tonight and load them up, if you can't get them reduced to NGC's size limitations. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EVillageProwler Posted November 12, 2002 Author Share Posted November 12, 2002 Keith, Email sent. EVP Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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EVillageProwler Posted November 12, 2002 Author Share Posted November 12, 2002 Thanks, Keith, for posting this. The rev scan does NOT do the coin justice. Moreover, the colors are much prettier on both sides than the scans indicate. The color is much deeper and bluer at the periphery on the rev, with a lovely rose/velvet color at the center. The obv colors don't have as much palette contrast... (Still nice though!) EVP Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keithdagen Posted November 12, 2002 Share Posted November 12, 2002 I wish that I could find a Trade Dollar like this one (and have enough money budgeted at the same time). Lower grade examples are hard to find toned in this style, and it's the kind that I do like for my Type set. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shirohniichan Posted November 13, 2002 Share Posted November 13, 2002 If you're working on a type set, KD, you don't need the "Holy Grail" of the T$ series. EVP, enlargements of the scan show a rubbed area above the D in DOLLAR on the reverse. Does it have a removed mintmark? Just kidding! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keithdagen Posted November 13, 2002 Share Posted November 13, 2002 I thought that MS-68 of TDN's was the Holy Grail of TD's? I just want to find a nice (common date) toned Trade Dollar in AU-58 to MS-62 range. Harder than one would think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tradedollarnut Posted November 13, 2002 Share Posted November 13, 2002 I know where there's a body bagged one that fits that range! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EVillageProwler Posted November 13, 2002 Author Share Posted November 13, 2002 Shiroh, You punk! You made me look at my coin to check for any problems!!! EVP Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keithdagen Posted November 13, 2002 Share Posted November 13, 2002 TDN, I did bid on that piece, but the bidding got past my budget at the time (that other critical factor ). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shirohniichan Posted November 13, 2002 Share Posted November 13, 2002 Gotcha, EVP!!!!! I saw a chopmarked example for sale on eBay by a seller in China. I noticed his "1875" I/I from an earlier auction had a suspicious rubbed area right where the S mintmark would go, and , sure enough, his "1876" had the same area worked on. My advice to those buying scarcer varieties is to be very careful! KD, by "Holy Grail" I was referring to absolute rarity, not grade rarity. Since you are a PCGS Set Registry participant, I can see how difficult the concept must be for you to comprehend. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tradedollarnut Posted November 13, 2002 Share Posted November 13, 2002 Shiro - wouldn't the holy grail of trade dollars be the 76-S Double Die Obverse? I know of only 5-6 in existance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keithdagen Posted November 13, 2002 Share Posted November 13, 2002 Shiroh, Go count how many active sets that I have at PCGS. You will find the number to be zero. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shirohniichan Posted November 13, 2002 Share Posted November 13, 2002 Whoa, nelley! Keith, congratulations on your recovery! I don't collect double-dies, so I was just referring to the regular type 1 and 2 obverses and reverses. My chopmarked trade dollar collection looked pretty good until I put it into a blank dollar album and left spaces for all type 1 and 2 obverses and reverses. Now I see how far I really have to go-- and I didn't even make space for the S/CC varieties or double-dies! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shirohniichan Posted November 13, 2002 Share Posted November 13, 2002 Here's my cleaned coin I cherrypicked. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shirohniichan Posted November 14, 2002 Share Posted November 14, 2002 Here's one that's whizzed with a couple of repaired areas. If the repaired areas used to be chopmarks, it would have been worth more unrepaired. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
