Posso

On 12/7/2022 at 10:13 AM, Sandon said:

    It's not possible that the same die was used in 1971 and 1976 because the date on the obverse was different in 1971 and the entire reverse design was different in 1976!  Moreover, coins are made from production dies, each pair of which (obverse and reverse) is capable of striking several hundred thousand coins before the dies are retired due to die erosion, serious cracks, clash marks and the like.  There are no separate "parts" of a single (obverse or reverse) production die.  In 1971 the Denver mint struck over 302 million half dollars, over 287 million in 1976.  Hundreds to a thousand or more pairs of production dies would have been used in each of these years!  

    As I understand the process, the production dies are made from other dies called "hubs", which are in turn made from the master dies. There could be no clashing of obverse and reverse hubs or master dies in this process, as each is used only to make a die of its own type.

   Clash marks tend to appear in the same places on coins of the same type because the obverse and reverse production dies are supposed to be in the same orientation to each other, a 180 degree "coin turn" on U.S. coins. It's no surprise that Kennedy's hairline near the top of the obverse would appear on the bottom of the reverse no matter what pair of dies in any year had clashed.

I get it. I watched the Wexter’s die varieties video and read a lot about the process today. Very educational for beginners, great information.
Thanks

On 12/7/2022 at 8:06 AM, Sandon said:

   The apparently raised area around the first "L" is roughly rectangular and definitely not a star or other displaced reverse design element.  The line through "O" to this area also appears to be raised and to match Kennedy's hairline on the opposite side.  The roughly rectangular area is likely from the raised lock of Kennedy's hair near the "B" of "LIBERTY". It now appears that your coin exhibits clash marks.  These occur when the dies come together (clash) in the press without a planchet (coinage blank) between them, causing traces of the design from one die to transfer to the other and causing subsequently struck coins to show these traces as a mirror image.  Clash marks were very common on older U.S. coins and still fairly common today.  They add no significant value to the coin unless spectacular, which this one isn't.

   Here's an uncirculated 1865 copper nickel three cent piece from my collection that shows clash marks on each side.  On the obverse you can see the outline of parts of the Roman numeral "III" and the wreath from the reverse.  On the reverse you can see the outline of parts of Liberty's profile, including her nose, mouth, and chin, from the obverse.  The clash marks don't add any value to this coin either, but they are interesting.

 

 

 

   

 

Though no outstanding it’s very cool because it’s Kennedy hair. Like I said I have another 1971 with a lesser trace of what now appears to be a trace of these same type of clash mark of Kennedy’s hair on the bicentennial. Could it be that part of the same die was used on the bicentennial, maybe it just had gotten more die to die clashes after the annealing process? I think it’s a super nice find. Very intriguing to say the least. 👍👍👍 to you.  Thank you 

On 12/6/2022 at 7:19 PM, JKK said:

I don't believe in a star there. It might have a vague shape like one but I think that's just more of the incipient die damage.

Here’s another picture with less light.

On 12/6/2022 at 6:36 PM, Sandon said:

@Posso--Your photo is too "washed out" from an overhead bright light for me to tell whether the coin shows anything other than post-mint damage.  The coin is well-circulated for a clad half dollar and clearly shows many nicks, scratches and abrasions.  Most or all of the line that extends from the area before "H" through the "D" appears to be a light scratch.  The depressions on the "D" and "O" are clearly nicks.  The area you say looks like a star appears to be raised and could be from something sunken into the die that caused a depression, but I can't really tell. It clearly doesn't match the stars above it, which could be evidence of a light double strike if it did match. Whatever it is, it wouldn't be considered a major error.

   I suggest that you take another photo with the camera light dimmed or off and lit by a table lamp from the side and post it if it shows a clearer image of the area in question.

I took some light off the photo. It’s probably the best you’ll get. It’s only visible from the side. 

On 12/6/2022 at 3:54 PM, JKK said:

Stupid, no; valuable, also no. I'd guess that the faint lines you see are a slight die crack. This was pretty common with Morgans, but minting came a long way by the bicentennial. No special value.

Thanks for your response. So a crack on the die caused the raised area? Just a little more info here. The lines up close and personal look bigger  and what looks like a star beneath and on both sides of the L is big compared to the thinly raised line.  If it were a star is there another way it could of happened. Or it is what is?

Hello to all, It’s another non variety. Stupid question or not?

On 12/6/2022 at 8:42 AM, EagleRJO said:

For your 1969-S Cent what you have is contact damage to the lower part of the "O" as well as a minor die chip inside the "O" as others have already noted [see attached marked pic of you're coin].

The die chip is not a dropped letter error.  You can check out this error-ref.com page for dropped letter errors here ...   https://www.error-ref.com/struck-through_dropped_filling/.  Also, see this error-ref.com page for die chips ... https://www.error-ref.com/die-chips/#:~:text=Definition%3A A small piece (less,lump in the affected area.

I understand your desire to document the die chip error, but it is a very minor and common error, and really doesn't add any value to the coin.  It would be about $100 to submit the coin to NGC, and they would just grade it and put it in a holder.  If you want to keep it, I would just put it in your own holder or flip and label it as AU-58BN as Sandon noted, and add "Minor Die Chip".

Thank you for that advice. Au-58BN you say. I will go with that note on the holder label. One less thing I need to do, much appreciated. 👍👍👍 up too you.

On 12/5/2022 at 4:24 PM, Sandon said:

   You are welcome to enjoy collecting whatever you find interesting.  You should, however, understand what it is that you are collecting. The relevant knowledge in this case is that the mint changed the composition of one cent coins during the second half of 1982 from a solid brass alloy (95% copper, 5% zinc) to a nearly pure zinc blank that had been electroplated with copper. It took some years for the mint's planchet (blank) vendors to perfect the electroplating process, with the result that a large proportion of the cents of this composition dated from 1982 through 1991 or so are plagued with bubbles and other raised areas in the plating.  The gases trapped in the bubbles have been known to promote corrosion of both the copper plating and the underlying zinc.  Most collectors avoid them and prefer examples without plating defects.

  I posted on your "1969-S Not a Variety" topic references to resources that may help you as a new collector of errors and of U.S. coins generally.

I totally agree those zinc copper plated pennies pretty bad. Some are homely looking and look like forgeries or science a project gone bad. LOL  Thanks again 

On 12/5/2022 at 3:57 PM, Sandon said:

   NGC (and the other major grading services) won't attribute a die chip or other minor error or die variety on a grading service holder.  You'd spend $50 or so on grading fees, attribution fees, and shipping costs and get the coin back in a holder identified as a normal 1969-S cent graded AU 58BN or so (Choice About Uncirculated) and not worth much more than its one cent face value. If it interests you, it can be properly stored in a mylar (not soft vinyl) flip, a hard plastic holder, or a coin album.

   If you want to learn what types of errors and varieties are valued by most collectors, the "error-ref.com" site is one resource, as is "doubleddie.com". For a more basic or introductory resource, go to the NGC home page (ngccoin.com) and type "mint errors" into the search bar at the right next to the "Resources" tab. This will retrieve a series of articles about mint errors, beginning with "Learn Grading: What is a Mint Error", Parts 1 through 4.  If you move your cursor to the "Resources" bar, the "VarietyPlus" resource will show the die varieties that NGC will attribute, mostly for the payment of an additional $18 fee.

   If you're new to the collection of United States coins generally, see the following topic that I posted for basic resources to learn about the coins and their pricing and grading:

RESOURCES FOR NEW COLLECTORS - Newbie Coin Collecting Questions - NGC Coin Collectors Chat Boards (Right click for menu to open)

 

Thank you for your information. I will be getting the correct holder for it, as it is I’ve been using sterile gloves to handle it. The thought In getting it authenticated was to have record of it, no other records exist for the 1969 S other than the DDO. I had several heart attacks. I just want to put everything in an orderly fashion. If you know what I mean. I guess it wouldn’t matter though.

Thanks again 

On 12/5/2022 at 3:20 PM, RWB said:

As more people look at their pocket change, the number very minor errors increases. Many on-line shysters promote these things as if they were worth a lot of money, but their real goal is to collect email and other personal information to sell to scammers and marketers.

Experienced collectors can help cut through the on-line lies and deception by providing factual information, and then encouraging folks to look into real coin collecting as an interesting hobby and outlet for historical interests.

(Oh....sorry....plating bubbles are common and of no value. Keep up that college saving fund for the kids! )

I couldn’t disagree more, it’s all in the eye of the beholder. I don’t believe anyone on this site is looking to strike it rich.

(By the way my kids put themselves trough college. Waste not want not. I haven’t sold a thing and I’ve collected antiques my entire life! )

On 12/5/2022 at 3:03 PM, Coinbuf said:

Just plating bubbles.

They all bubbled up in the exact right place. It look like a hit job to me. Thanks

I’m getting addicted to coins.

I thought I seen this online on a site or YouTube, even crazier I just found one. 😀Lincoln’s ear looks like it’s bleeding, not to mention the cauliflower ear. 1983 cent

On 12/5/2022 at 1:17 PM, Posso said:

Thank you

What is the difference between a dropped letter/filling?

On 12/5/2022 at 1:23 PM, RWB said:

It's a little die chip. Not to be confused with a buffalo chip or a pigeon drop. Only value is to chip collectors and lovers of blue lines.

Hah, I'm starting to like it here already. 

On 12/5/2022 at 1:04 PM, Greenstang said:

Welcome to the Chatbox

It looks like it could be a small die chip.

Common and not considered an error.

Thank you

What is the difference between a dropped letter/filling?

On 12/5/2022 at 12:51 PM, J P M said:

It looks like a hit, is some of the O missing there?

The O is all there.

Thank you for the fast response. It looks to me to be a partial leg of the N that dropped inside O. The serif is identical. I can’t find any error die chip or other for 1969 S other than the DDO. It is a variety year. Would it be worth getting authenticated?

Hello I’m new here. I looking for some input on a 1969 S with a partial dropped letter inside the O on ONE. Does anyone know of any other error for this year other than DDO?