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On 12/14/2022 at 2:44 PM, EagleRJO said:

eBay is one of the worst places to go for information, except for the sold listings info.

Yep I know I rarely use eBay. I just wanted to see if another 64 peg leg was listed. eBay to me is like a box of chocolates. LOL

On 12/13/2022 at 6:49 PM, Sandon said:

    Last year's Deluxe or "Mega Red" edition of the Redbook (7th ed. 2021) contained special sections on silver and modern dollars and devoted 38 pages (pp. 799-837) to Eisenhower dollars. It includes a number of lesser-known varieties that aren't listed in standard guides and don't have established market values.  These include Peg Leg varieties for the 1971-D, 74-D, 76-D Variety 2 and 78-D (no photos). (The "peg legs" are most likely the result of dies that were heavily polished during their preparation, not worn.) There is also the website of the "Ike Group", www.ikegroup.info, which I understand has comprehensive research about the series. (Users have to agree to various terms and conditions before accessing the information on the site.)

  It is important to note that there were numerous changes made to the design details of the Eisenhower dollar in 1971-72, for a total of four different obverse types and five different reverse types. The 1972 (Philadelphia), for example, used three different reverse types, one of which, the "Variety 2" or "Reverse D", is worth a premium in standard guides.  Some of these changes affected the shapes and thicknesses of letters and are to be distinguished from a peculiarity of a particular die such as a "peg leg".

   I reiterate that it's essential to have basic references such as the standard "Redbook" and a grading guide and to acquire basic knowledge of coins before getting into more advanced or esoteric areas like spotting minor or new varieties or errors on a particular series. It would be like a child trying to take high school courses without attending grade school!

   

After I posted yesterday. Something told me to go to eBay. There was a 74 posted in worse condition than mine. Sorry to have you run through everything for me, but I am educating myself more and more everyday. Thanks for the push. Thanks again.

On 12/13/2022 at 4:11 PM, EagleRJO said:

@Possoif you check the PCGS attributed 71 Peg Leg Ike I posted above it has an "R" that has a slightly shorter and rounded end of the leg.  The 74 Ikes you posted have an "R" with a slightly longer and pointed end of the leg.

I see that, it’s hard for me to zoom in that one you posted. I Will check it out online. Thank you 

On 12/12/2022 at 11:46 AM, Fenntucky Mike said:

I was looking at other '71 halves, sorry, I should have been clearer on that point. Almost all had some degree of weakness in the "R", most were similar to your coin. 

Thanks for the response, sorry for the delay, but the server must be messed up or something, maybe it’s my phone but my replies are being posted in other places. 

On 12/12/2022 at 11:46 AM, Fenntucky Mike said:

I was looking at other '71 halves, sorry, I should have been clearer on that point. Almost all had some degree of weakness in the "R", most were similar to your coin. 

On 12/12/2022 at 11:24 AM, Sandon said:

    The bottoms of the "E" and "R" are weak and blend into Kennedy's hair on most of the 1970s Kennedy half dollars I checked after reading this.  Yours may also have been struck from a somewhat overpolished or worn die on which the area of the "R" and Kennedy's hair beneath it were weakened, which are common occurrences.  The mint periodically replaces the master die from which "hubs" and then working dies are prepared, and this area was stronger on half dollars of the 1980s.

   The "Peg Leg R" Eisenhower dollar variety is found on a 1971-S silver clad coin that the mint sold to collectors for a premium.  It was not issued for circulation and would almost certainly not be found among copper-nickel clad (red rimmed) "Ike" dollars that you might have obtained from circulation.

   @Posso--I've tried to impress upon you the importance of "book learning"--some of which can now be done online--and experience in gaining an understanding of what sorts of coins are considered interesting or valuable by most serious collectors. You've stated that you don't yet even have a standard "Redbook", yet you believe that you can frequently find all sorts of significant errors and varieties in pocket change. Please study or at least refer to some of the resources to which I and others have directed you before claiming to have made some great find.  

Hello Sandon, sorry for the delay. I have thought about the die also, it would need to be a really warn die to create that thin leg. Also you mentioned the that the Ike peg was only in 71 struck on 40 40% planchette for collectors only, and certainly not on a business strike. I have a 74 clad that’s the exact match for the 71 peg. I also read somewhere that there are other attributes for confirmation of a true peg leg. Those attributes are weak or no serifs the E and bottom of I. Anythoughts, I looked for and couldn’t find anythingabout the 74 peg leg, other than the 71. See photo

On 12/12/2022 at 12:58 PM, EagleRJO said:

On 12/12/2022 at 12:58 PM, EagleRJO said:

Attached is an example of a "peg leg" 1971 Ike.  Notice how short and stubby the leg of the 'R" is compared to a regular Ike, and hence the name "peg leg".

Also attached is a comparison of the "R" on your Kennedy vs the "R" on a Peg Leg Ike so the difference is more apparent.

 

On 12/12/2022 at 11:24 AM, Sandon said:

    The bottoms of the "E" and "R" are weak and blend into Kennedy's hair on most of the 1970s Kennedy half dollars I checked after reading this.  Yours may also have been struck from a somewhat overpolished or worn die on which the area of the "R" and Kennedy's hair beneath it were weakened, which are common occurrences.  The mint periodically replaces the master die from which "hubs" and then working dies are prepared, and this area was stronger on half dollars of the 1980s.

   The "Peg Leg R" Eisenhower dollar variety is found on a 1971-S silver clad coin that the mint sold to collectors for a premium.  It was not issued for circulation and would almost certainly not be found among copper-nickel clad (red rimmed) "Ike" dollars that you might have obtained from circulation.

   @Posso--I've tried to impress upon you the importance of "book learning"--some of which can now be done online--and experience in gaining an understanding of what sorts of coins are considered interesting or valuable by most serious collectors. You've stated that you don't yet even have a standard "Redbook", yet you believe that you can frequently find all sorts of significant errors and varieties in pocket change. Please study or at least refer to some of the resources to which I and others have directed you before claiming to have made some great find.  

 

 

Hello Sandon, sorry for the delay. I have thought about the die also, it would need to be a really warn die to create that thin leg. Also you mentioned the that the Ike peg was only in 71 struck on 40 40% planchette for collectors only, and certainly not on a business strike. I have a 74 clad that’s the exact match for the 71 peg. I also read somewhere that there are other attributes for confirmation of a true peg leg. Those attributes are weak or no serifs the E and bottom of I. Any thoughts, I looked for and couldn’t find anything about the 74 peg leg, other than the 71. See photos 

On 12/12/2022 at 10:29 AM, Fenntucky Mike said:

It probably was, from what I've seen plenty of Kennedy halves have a similarly shaped "R". 

The 80 Kennedy’s that I have don’t have an R with pronounced peg leg. They all kind of blend into the hair with no point. I don’t know. It’s just caught my eye as odd. Thank you

On 12/12/2022 at 10:07 AM, Fenntucky Mike said:

No Peg Leg "R" Obv varieties for Kennedy's, just Ike's. 

This coin looks like it was punched like that. There’s  no hits near the R leg other than the small scratch on the r.

On 12/12/2022 at 9:52 AM, J P M said:

Well I don't think any of the Half's show any leg on the R with all that hair in the way. The coin you posted has seen better days, lots of PMD to look at  LoL

What’s the sense of this site to show uncirculated spectacular coins of the rarest variety. Your thoughts on the R peg is all I asked. It obviously has PMD.

On 12/12/2022 at 9:51 AM, JKK said:

Twenty-two minutes and you're impatient already? Great look.

Usually you guys are all over it. I forgot I guess there was a server issue. I had to reset my account. 

On 12/12/2022 at 9:20 AM, Posso said:

Hello to all

I picked up the wrong coin while searching for a Ike peg leg variety error, this 71 shows what looks like a peg like also. Just like a Captain Jack peg leg. It has a stain on it. I don’t want to mess around with trying to clean it. I have check many other 71 and other years for this but couldn’t find anything that comes close. Any thoughts 

What, No takers?

Hello to all

I picked up the wrong coin while searching for a Ike peg leg variety error, this 71 shows what looks like a peg like also. Just like a Captain Jack peg leg. It has a stain on it. I don’t want to mess around with trying to clean it. I have check many other 71 and other years for this but couldn’t find anything that comes close. Any thoughts 

On 12/9/2022 at 10:46 AM, Coinbuf said:

It looks like simple impact damage from what I see, also the coin is not struck off center.   To be classified as off center both sides would need some portion of the rim, design, and or lettering to be missing, at best this might be considered as MAD (misaligned die), but it is so minor that I doubt anyone would care.

The big S is in good shape. Could a compacted filling have dropped on the planchette prior to striking? Like a dropped letter. and than got polished down. In the darker close up you can actually see the what looks like polishing marks.

It looks like a small s, closer to the rim you see it protruding out also. Maybe it was rounded like a normal s, but the polishing changed it. I guessing.

On 12/9/2022 at 10:16 AM, JKK said:

Looks to me like it took a hit that pushed up some metal around it. It's the sort of impact that is only getting notice because it happens to be located in the legend.

I can the polishing marks in there.

It’s what’s not what I think it is, it’s also struck off center. 

Hi all

I came across this, any thoughts, it’s always not what I think it is, it’s also struck off center. Any thoughts? 😃

On 12/9/2022 at 9:59 AM, JKK said:

Doesn't look like any Ike dollar I've ever seen. Too small and the wrong composition.

Lol, the site automatically filled. Reposting now.

I pick this sucker out because of the toning on reverse, and then the funky looking N jumped out on me. I don’t think it’s damage. The copper plating is still fresh in between.
Hmmm any thoughts about this? 

On 12/8/2022 at 4:26 PM, Coinbuf said:

You asked about the N of IGWT on the obv, that is just a well placed hit from another coin or object, not an error.    What you call tone I would call stained, that happened from someone that handled the coin with bare hands or the coin came into contact with some environmental contaminate, possibly even spend time partly buried in the soil.   Our skin has oils which over time attack and stain coins, copper is especially reactive to environmental factors like skin oils and can become stained quite easily.   This is why we always instruct new collectors to only hold a raw coin by the edge not the face of the coin.   There are unfortunately many internet outlets like you tube or etsy where you will see many uninformed people that will hype coins like this as toned.

If you like the way this looks there is nothing wrong with keeping it, but I have collected Lincoln cents for over 40 years and I feel very comfortable saying that the vast majority of Lincoln collectors would find this coin to be unattractive.

Yep to me it looks like a nice keeper with that toning. I like the toning. Your probably right. But it does look to my eyes up close with a loop that the    Copper cladding was done afterword’s. Everything there looks the same. I may take it over to a dealer to take a look when I’m back in town. I love the pennies for some reason. It’s very relaxing looking over them. Thanks for your expertise 

On 12/8/2022 at 3:49 PM, Coinbuf said:

Just a well-placed hit from something after the coin left the mint, not an error.   

There’s no irregularities/ disfigurements at all, and it’s the same color shiny red like the rest of the coin. What causes the copper to tone like the reverse. Where it says One Cent on the bottom half is way darker. The rest of the coin is the same red. That’s nice.

I pick this sucker out because of the toning on reverse, and then the funky looking N jumped out on me. I don’t think it’s damage. The copper plating is still fresh in between.
Hmmm any thoughts about this? 

On 12/8/2022 at 12:35 PM, Sandon said:

   It's pretty obvious to me how this likely happened.  The obverse of the coin was lying obverse up on a hard, rough roadway pavement, likely the type of asphalt paving that is mixed with stones. The coin was run over by one or more motor vehicles.  The soft rubber tires yielded enough to the harder coin metal so that the obverse detail wasn't much affected, but the pressure from the weight of the vehicle against the hard surface bent the coin slightly toward the obverse. The road surface and any dirt or grit lying on it severely damaged the reverse of the coin, and embedded traces of the road material such as asphalt into it.  The damage also made the coin more susceptible to corrosion. As a result, the reverse shows severe damage, flattening, and embedded foreign matter and/or corrosion. 

   A 1962-D cent is composed of 95% copper alloy, with the remaining 5% being a mixture of zinc and tin, or if made later that year, just zinc. It doesn't contain any precious metal or chrome!  Please read the "Redbook". 

   At least one of our contributors, @EagleRJO, collects these "parking lot" or "roadkill" coins for fun. Perhaps he can confirm what I've said and contribute some similar photos.

I haven’t gotten a red book yet, my son wants to get it for Christmas for me. I’ll hit eagle when I get more time. Thank you

On 12/8/2022 at 12:57 PM, RWB said:

A more precise question might be : "What didn't happen to this coin?"

LOL 😂 

On 12/8/2022 at 11:15 AM, Greenstang said:

PMD, Impossible for that to happen during the minting. It has been damaged after it was struck. Exactly how it happened doesn’t really matter as damage is damage.

I’m not contradicting you to be a know it all, but I believe it does matter. Some of the damage is from circulation, it’s obvious, but for this to happen to any kind of precious metal or even chrome alloy. It would have had to be under extreme pressure. Just like the minting process. So someone would’ve had to make an exactly produce an obverse nd reverse die for 1962 D. It looks soft and mushy. This could not of happen without affecting the obverse without using extreme pressure. Anyone else want to chime in feel free. 

Hello everyone

This 62 D is concave on obverse, on reverse shows repeated striking, how could this happen without causing severe damage to obverse? It’s seems obvious it happened during minting.