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On 10/28/2021 at 7:39 PM, valk1999 said:

Many years ago I sent a suspect clad error Roosevelt dime right to the mint for their analysis.  I imagine the mint still provides this service if you can get to the right department or individual.  They determined my dime was subjected to excessive heating.

another possible avenue if you choose to explore.

 

That’s pretty neat. I’ll look into it. Thanks! 

On 10/28/2021 at 6:31 PM, RWB said:

By an out-of-collar distortion, I meant only a minor out of round - not noticeably oblong or oval.

Gotcha. I still only have pictures. When it comes back I can get a better look again. I appreciate the comments. 

On 10/28/2021 at 6:28 PM, J P Mashoke said:

Well now you can weigh it 

Most def. that’s the first thing I’m gonna do when I get it back and go from there. Thanks for the reminder! I didn’t see the mint error fee on the invoice. But it’s in the total. Because that’s what it added up to on the first digital one. Like where you fill out all the requests and stuff.  I’ll look again though. They just sent the invoice tonight. Not complaining. I was just thinking it would all be documented even down to them weighing it as proof. But it could still be post damage and weigh different. So weight difference wouldn’t matter much if they determined it wasn’t an error. However for my own curiosity I am going to look more into it and take in all the input and get some learning in. There may be more paper work and invoice stuff in the return.

On 10/28/2021 at 2:49 PM, RWB said:

Would have been helpful if they'd told you why it was "not suitable for certification." Was it wearing shoes and a shirt? Had it been vaccinated?

Hey thanks! Maybe they put a personal letter in the return shipping! Haha. But yeah, I sent it in with a mint error fee. Maybe it’ll state that it went through that too and not just sent back because it looked messed up.   I trust it did, but physically seeing them say it would be nice and why. I do want to look more into it. The metal in the other wrong Planchets did center and did not oblong. The metal also did go past what an sba boundary would be. I respect the decision. It’s just interesting too. Makes me want to see the edges of those other p coins. If they were similar to mine. I don’t have as much experience as those working at the grading companies but I am curious. I’ve learned a lot from the comments here and they are appreciated! 

Sad day on the home front. It was determined to be not suitable for grading. I appreciate the input, it’s been fun and has given me insight. I respect the decision. I’m curious to how the edges look to the 1979 p and 1980 p wrong Planchet sba coins now though. It’s a learning process. 

On 10/23/2021 at 10:50 AM, RWB said:

FYI - Here is a Kennedy half (30.6mm diameter) with the diameter of an Anthony dollar (26.5mm, black circle) superimposed to scale.

Notes: A small dollar planchet would probably not seat in the center of the Kennedy half collar. If a vertical press were used for the halves, the dollar planchet would naturally fall to the bottom of the collar. The superimposition does not match - or come close to matching - the illustrated coin. Would there be enough metal in the dollar planchet to fill out the Kennedy portrait and the reverse eagle design? How could reeding be applied to a planchet that is significantly smaller than the half dollar? How does on get uniform detail on the coin when the dies are convex and do not match the planchet upset height or angle? (An unrestricted planchet will likely expand unevenly and produce both a non-round coin, and degradation of the design due to unrestrained metal flow.)

As Condor's comments suggest, it take a lot more than saying "it looks like" to establish the truth....or maybe this is really a "Specimen" coin?

I’m not saying it is an official wrong planchet, just hoping a whole lot it is. But I agree with your analysis. I went back and looked up more examples. Seems there is an NGC 1979 similar to the other PCgs example I posted. (As much as I looked seems I would have seen the multiple versions already). I’ll post it here. It is cut off in the same areas as well. They both look to be from the Philadelphia mint too. Just noticing that. The one I sent is a 1981 P I believe. So maybe they all got put through the same machine. The only one that wasn’t a vertical press. Or they didn’t have those same presses there. I tried to find a quick vertical press example but couldn’t. You explained this well in your post, how the metal could have flowed out a bit filled the empty areas. Maybe that is what happened to some degree. The metal extended out from the SBA’s diameter boundary due to pressure. And it only went so far out. Why it did not form some oblong shape I don’t know. That is if the 1981 p is like these 1979 examples, a wrong planchet. 

On 10/22/2021 at 6:03 AM, J P Mashoke said:

 I like VKurtB Idea but maybe adding to it With Condor's Idea.  Holding a SBA over a Kennedy half it looks like the letters would be cut almost in half around the edge. I go with Kennedy planchet but cut out of SBE stock or something that is thinner and did not allow the metal to push out to make a full rim. My best guess LoL ...........No mater it is still a cool find.  

I’m hoping your theory is right, the combo of the two. While waiting for it to go through the rounds I looked up examples. The only one that comes close was a 1979 Kennedy on an sba Planchet. It was an almost dead ringer. I’ll find the pic and post it… okay I think this is the one I saw. It also has the “trust” cut off and surrounding letters at the border kind of choppy. I suppose different circumstances can cause the same effect. But it helps me hope harder, haha. Wish I’d had a scale working so I knew the weight! (It’s a screenshot and I left in the obvious proof it’s a screen shot so it doesn’t look like I’m stealing the pic. Just an example)

I hope he is right as well. And I hope the price of silver goes up, but not before I can get some more ounces! 

It made it past the status of received, scheduled for grading, and this week it has been in the grading phase. I’m hoping it’s an actual error and not post damage. It looks similar to the 1979 wrong Planchet coin so maybe it is. 
 

i edited out the ID number but this is the status… 

I’ve come across Kennedy halves with no FG. I know there’s big debate on what constitutes a no fg. I have a 30x loop, with it I can make out where something use to be or something that could have been. But can’t tell if it’s fg. That being said, I doubt a 5x can make it out. If any knowledge on that please share. Okay so here’s my main question how do you tell if it’s a mint error or if it’s because it’s over cleaned. Like acid washed it off or ate the fg up. (Sry this is so long, but trying to tell if a coin is cleaned or not as well) I’ve come across a few coins with a ghosting ring around Kennedy’s head. The five no fg’s I’ve ran up on have had it. I’ll show pics of two I have now. Is this a sign it has been cleaned which could be evidence it’s a fake or accidental no fg or does this sometimes happen with dies that have been messed with or polished too much? (Edit: found same ring around the 1976 hall and the “e” and “h” missing. Pics of it at bottom)

On 9/15/2021 at 7:28 PM, Mikhail2400 said:

Im new to coin collecting but have a few I got when my father passed away. Basically I dont know much but im learning. I bought one of the Silver Eagle 2 coin reverse proof designer coin sets. Of course I dont have it yet as the US mint hasnt mailed it but when I get it;

1; should I send them to either NGC or PCGS to be graded  

2: if so which, NGC or PCGS, should I send them to?

3; Do I need to send them unopened in the US Mint box as it is when I receive it or will that matter?

I have never sent any coins to be graded and slabbed but have a few I plan to post on here soon to get the opinions of those who know more than I do on whether I should send them or not. Several are Eagles, one very clean 1962 Franklin and quite alot of other US coins my dad bought from a dealer at some time or another. I wont flood the chats with alot of coin posts in a large rush as I know there are others out there who are seeking the same educated advice I am.

 

Thanks for your time, Mike

Hobby lobby has gloves in their coin collection section for hobbyists. With those wear gloves. They will immediately begin to get a slight tone compared with an untouched one. I have some gloves but I honestly don’t take my own advice on it much myself with coins but with silver eagles I don’t touch them any more. Always gloves on those especially since they are an investment. They get a hint of yellow right away and compared to an untouched one the difference is noticeable to the naked eye. 

Okay I’m feeling kinda lazy this morning but evidently super curious about this. Going back through the ones I set aside the first 10 or so are all P mint. (The lazy over road the curious and I stopped) Different dates. Bare with me. It looks like it may be what they call the ring of death only a portion of it. When I looked at the ring of death coins, the first one had the ring pass through the “LAR” I bit higher but another did not. So maybe the P mint’s ring of death reaches low on the “LAR”. And this is what I get when it’s just a portion of death. 

On 9/18/2021 at 7:57 AM, J P Mashoke said:

It could also be a Grease filled die making a poor strike.

The grease may make more since. They’d all have to be positioned the same. I’m gonna see how many I already put in the jar. I started sitting them aside when I became aware of them. I’m going to see if the mint marks are different.

On 9/18/2021 at 7:57 AM, J P Mashoke said:

It could also be a Grease filled die making a poor strike.

True, I just also thought maybe it’s where people hold it to look at it. But people usually look at the front more and it being on the back bottom right side of the coin is odd. But maybe not cause the coin is flipped. Back and front are lined up opposite to one another right. When head is up the eagle is down, when the eagle is up the head is down right? I’m gonna have to get one in my hand here in a second to see. 

On 9/18/2021 at 7:47 AM, J P Mashoke said:

Looks like it is PMD( post mint damage) . old age or a coin roll or counting machine 

I’m not sure it’s post. Thinking on it now. The coins have the same spot rubbed. Every time a coin from 83, 79, 71, etc was put into someone’s coin machine or pinched into something they’d alll have to be put in at the exact same angle and position. I just started going through my second 500 dollar box and I’ve already come across many. The first box I didn’t pay much attention to it because I’ve been looking more in detail now. But toward the end of my first box I started noticing them. 

On 9/17/2021 at 5:13 AM, Fenntucky Mike said:

NGC Services and Fees | NGC (ngccoin.com)

Thanks, maybe mine will get opened in about 3 more weeks. Def not a process for low budget folks with multiple coins. I’d be 70 by the time I got 10 coins done! No offense. I like ngc. Tks for the input. I know where to check now. 

Technically I’m still new and this is something I’ve just become aware of. I’m coming across coin after coin with this fade. Sometimes the top of the coin has it but mostly it’s just at the end of the “dollar” word on the reverse of the Kennedy half dollar at the bottom. It’s like it went through circulation with everyone touching it in the same spot, which I doubt is the case, and caused it to wear in that one area. Is the mint machines set up where they begin to tilt and the machinery positions awkward on coins because they have different mint marks and years. There are as many of these coins I have come across as there are ones with the ring ground into them.

Where do you find the back log? I’m relatively new to coins and this site.

Mine should have got there September 4th. So maybe another month before I see mine up? Cool question and cool reply. 

On 9/10/2021 at 4:27 PM, RWB said:

If you can afford it, buy a digital scale with a 100g capacity and gram measurements to 3 decimal places. You will then round the display value to two places for reporting final results. Make sure the scale can be easily calibrated and that it has a tare (or net item weight) setting. Lastly, do not put a coin directly on the scale -- cut a small piece of good paper, put that on the scale, tare the weight, then add the coin.

You should do this 10 times for EACH coin, then average the 3-decimal place results and round to two decimal places in grams. If you are using Troy grains, go to 3 decimal places after rounding - this will normalize to the way the US Mint measured grain weights in the 19th and early 20th centuries.

Thanks! And thanks everyone!

I went and got another digital scale. The kitchen flat kind. It reads only whole numbers for grams. What’s a good one that will read 11.3 and not just 11. Or 12.8 and not just 13? 

On 9/6/2021 at 9:00 PM, VKurtB said:

After seeing the two edge on, I’m back to liking the SBA planchet theory. But so hard to be certain. Good mystery. 

True that! Mystery for sure! 

On 9/6/2021 at 3:27 PM, VKurtB said:

I wish we had a weight before this was sent off. Wrong planchets will often be revealed by being the right weight for something else. This might be a removed coin from a “lucky coin collar” as suggested above. Weight would have provided some important evidence. 

Posting a blown up screenshot. The copper edge sticks out a hair. The nickel could be cut off but still falls short of copper edge. A bit smashed down onto core. Also, the coin as a whole in diameter is smaller than a healthy one. Including the protruding core. Wish I had it in hand to weigh it and double check the diameter. Make sure it wasn’t its own core I saw sticking out when against the normal 77. But the pic of the rims placed together does show the larger Kennedy’s shadow slight overcast. So I’m leaning I’m correct about it being smaller in diameter. If a bezel cut it, then it may be smaller, but the copper edge sprockets are still there. Not trying to see things but explain a bit more detail. It’s plausible a bezel cut it, but it would have damaged the copper more maybe? Instead it’s like it stops right at the copper. Unless the bezel had room for it a bit. Or whatever the possible casement was. 

On 9/6/2021 at 3:27 PM, VKurtB said:

I wish we had a weight before this was sent off. Wrong planchets will often be revealed by being the right weight for something else. This might be a removed coin from a “lucky coin collar” as suggested above. Weight would have provided some important evidence. 

Tks! I weighed it but the scale was acting up. Not that it was weighing the coin wrong but everything I put on it was wrong and like ounces off or like 30 grams was 400 grams. It never weighed anything correctly or even close to correctly when testing it with known weight. It never did that before. I’m going to get a non digital scale if I can find a good gram one. Wish I’d got closer pictures of the core too. 

New myself, great question. Did the form but was still wondering if I did it half right!