Yves85

Well aren't you a real rascal!

Finding COB coinage is extremely rare up here... if you're lucky, in a 30 year detecting "career" you'll find one. Making matters worse is because of their odd shape, they sometimes ring up up weird on metal detectors and show bouncing VIDs, and are often not dug up, because they *can* sound like junk... especially if its at an angle or edge on in the dirt. When I first dug mine, I thought it was a bale seal and threw it in my finds pouch to clean at home. I was pleasantly surprised.

Oak Island is about a 3 hour drive from here/where this coin was found. Our club has recovered thousands of 17th and 18th century silver coins and rev war relics. Also very recently there have been stories of people finding viking relics in the Miramichi area... maybe someone has found Vinland? Either way, I'm sure the History channel will hear about it and make a long, drawn out series with a lot of talking with very little actually being done/found....... *cough*

I remember hearing that the reason for this was that taxes were due in British currency, or was at a premium, so the vast majority would end up back across the pond. This, of course, left very few of these coins for circulation and when you're digging coins, all you get is what people had in their pockets at the time, and not what they had squirrelled away in their homes for tax season. I don't know this for a fact, this is just something I remember.

In this area, if you're finding silver from the 1700s, like 90% of the time it's Spanish. 9% is French bouillon and like 1% is British. I've never found a British silver coin from 1700s. I've found a few French coins, 15 and 30 deniers, and a lot of Spanish. I don't know why, but that must be what people had in their pockets back then. There was even a pine tree shilling found in Saint John by a friend of mine a couple of years ago.

Please forgive me, he was from Connecticut... not Massachusetts Amos Botsford

Ah thanks! I thought myself clever abreviating contemporary counterfeit.

Haha! It was great... I'm still not convinced it is a cc though, but haven't ruled it out! I would really like to find an axample of those NY counterfeits to compare. Either way it's a beautiful coin. It was found on a property of a prominent loyalist that moved to from Massachusetts to New Brunswick after the Rev war so it sort of fits with it being a CC or a genuine one too.

I had never tried this because I never questioned its authenticity before, and also because it has the sound of a silver coin, you know what I mean. I just tried it and the magnet has no discernable attraction to it. Also I don't know how familiar you are with Minelab metal detectors, but I can generally tell before I break the ground if what I'm digging is a silver coin by the tone and the VID on the display. And this coin behaved exactly as all silver coins do.

I haven't either. I learned it when my "reply" and "quote" buttons disappeared after 10 posts... so I tried to PM someone about it, and after the first PM, I got a notice saying I had reached my daily maximum or something of the sort.

I am in agreement with you about the fact that these old Spanish coins, as far as I know, were all made by hand engraved dies, therefore, there will always be differences. The mint place of this particular coin is Lima, and they were particularly crude in my experience.

Mine was minted in Lima, Peru I think. Allegedly

Can we see images of those fakes? That would convince me beyond a reasonable doubt of your claim.

I'm not gonna lie you make a strong argument. Might very well be an older counterfeit! Doubts still remain for me to be 100% convinced... I'm still leaning on genuine. Show me a proven fake if you can find one. Do numismatists ever worry that fake coins are getting passed as genuine and vice versa? It must happen all the time

Looking forward to it. I'm certainly not an expert on coins, however wouldn't small differences between coins of the same denomination and year be expected with this type of coin even from the same mint due to the different dies or whatever? If all you're doing is pointing out small differences, then wouldn't that only prove that the dies were different? I'd much sooner accept a picture of a proven counterfeit that matches mine than what you've suggested. And again, I'm no expert, but if what you're proposing counts as proof around here, then please direct me to any and all of your posts where you have posted similar coins from your collection, so that I can "proove" them all fakes with "100% certainty"! The burden of proof is on you here and you're slipping... dazzle me! Dukes up, Greenstang!

This is exactly the reason I posted the coin, I never saw that detail. Very interesting, good contribution!

Couple things: 1: The 10 post daily limit for new members stinks. I understand why... but it still stinks. I will have to make these count. 2: I never really questioned it's authenticity. It has the right silver content, the right weight, it is the right size, it was found in the right place, at the right depth, with other objects from the right time period, by a guy who's been metal detecting a long time. I guess It could be a contemporary counterfeit, though I have found a few of those too in my day, and the ones I find are usually badly corroded as they were made from pewter (images attached of those). If it is however, I would love to know (that's why I'm here). I'd be happy with such a nice contemporary counterfeit to be honest so may the truth be known! One thing it absolutely isn't is a modern counterfeit, that's a fact. I don't need to be a coin expert to know beyond a reasonable doubt that this is an old, silver coin. Did everybody miss the link to the video of this coin actually being dug lol? Also Thank you everybody for the interests and responses! Good community with a sense of Humour... that crack about Charles' @#$% grin made me chuckle! Cheers! Images dug contemporary counterfeits

Lol sorry about my wacky canadian tools. I never noticed anything with the date, what's funky about it?

Thank you for the detailed response! I was hoping for an XF grade... I've dug quite a few Spanish coins in my time, but this one was by far the nicest one. I mainly hunt for old military relics... on the site this coin was found on, I also found a Rev War Kings American Dragoons horse tack rosette in such amazing condition, I was able to sell that small peice of brass for several thousand dollars.

If you still doubt it's authenticity, here is the video of me actually digging it up. Please don't mind the swearing... I get excited finding old silver... lol. VIDEO

Seems to be close-ish. Also last year I brought it, along with a bunch of other reales I've dug up to get silver content tested at our local coin shop here in Moncton, The Coin Cabinet, and it was a spot on match, not .925 but like .89 can't remember exactly. I also included a pic of a cob I also dug recently just for fun

You might want to look a little closer there captain. I have other photos taken of it after I found it.

I'm certain it's real, it was found in association with other objects of that time period near an old stone foundation in a field with a metal detector. The field is a commercial blueberry field, now I don’t know much about soil type but it looked redish and sandy, can't remember if it was moist, this was last year. I actually filmed it's discovery, the video is also on my YouTube.

Just a bit of water and dish soap, came right out of the soil like that pretty much

Oh, good! Pass some of that popcorn would you?