Thank you for your help on this. You explain a lot more then the web site. I wanted to get 4 coins graded, wow, didn't know it would cost that much ! But i do like them and would like to know if in fact they are real and what the grade is. As collectors, we always want a better grade, We can look at that coin for hours and always think it is better as we look at it, just to find out it is not I know, i had collector friends look at coins i thought were great, only to point out issues i guess i didn't want to see, after i spent hard earned money buying