Kirt

1 hour ago, KarenHolcomb said:

@Kirt @JKK @kenlee47@kbbpll @Greenstang 

I am very happy about this. I may have said some things that made him feel bad but I went and looked and while I wasn't the most respectful, I wasn't a meanie either. I just deleted like 30 messages from him in my gmail! Gawd only knows how many more comments he made on my posts. So I did report him to an admin. Maybe it worked for a minute? We shall see. I am just glad that we can now make posts and comment on others posts without the needless interference OOHRAH!!!

You're far too self-critical! Look, everyone has a bad day and responds tersely online. We know from experience not to take it personally. Besides, feeling a little bad about yourself enables growth - in most people.

Additionally, I take @JKK's point about brain cells to heart. Some folks are just impervious to logic, reason, or insult.

18 minutes ago, JKK said:

Dream on. It's like coronavirus; it lives on surfaces for a long time. Unless the admins block the IP, there'll be another outbreak.

Call me a Cassandra, but IP blocking is unlikely to subdue our misguided friend for long. Precisely two clicks, in fact.

Found a bit more:

http://stcroixhistorical.com/?p=1626 has a history of Italian immigrants in St. Croix county starting in 1877. Without being specific, the article references the Checchi family in the 1930s and has the picture @Just Bob posted; it turns out the store was at the corner of Main Street and Calais Avenue and became Pisani's. Pisani's was apparently around for several decades, at least through the 1970s:

On 6/7/2020 at 12:29 AM, T-N-T Tom n Terri said:

Let's me put it to you in layman's terms if both clad layers as you put it were entirely absent from obverse and reverse. It would still way in at 5.3.009 the coin waighs 5.1.I been a member of ngc and A platinum member for that matter I'm the owner of T- N - T coins .I realy do not do this forum thing very well cuz obviously there is alot of nonsense  among rookies .The coin was checked today and neither one of you are close .At least it gives you something to talk about 

Ok, one at a time:

I didn't state that both clad layers were missing; they're clearly present and environmentally damaged. That blackish toning is something that shows up on state quarters much more commonly than prior clad quarters; I have been extremely interested in figuring out why because there should be no difference; I'm also sure others are sick of me bringing it up so done with that.

Membership level doesn't mean anything except how much money you're willing to fork over to NGC.

Calling me rookie is accurate. I've only been collecting for 34 years or so. I have a ton to learn.

Checked by whom? There are tons of people with opinions about coins (including our hosts) and only some of them are worthwhile. You know what they say about opinions.

I'm sorry that you're either upset or unwilling to listen to what people are telling you; best wishes going forward with your coin.

On 6/6/2020 at 7:38 PM, larne737 said:

Kirt, what is the TPG? this level of coin collecting is new to me.

Third Party Grader - e.g. NGC and their competition. They do a great job with coins, but this really isn't a coin...anymore. Just sending it in without having a conversation first would probably be disappointing.

Transit token from Brazil

Sweet!

Yes, these are commemorative tokens. Your best source to search these is Token Catalog: https://tokencatalog.com. Numista.com may be helpful but it's not as complete.

Here's what I dug up with some quick searches:

• MARG 97-1: Mediterranean Amphibious Ready Group military challenge coin, on eBay here: https://picclick.com/Mediterranean-Amphibious-Ready-Group-MARG-97-1-Navy-Challenge-233508648066.html
• Illinois sesquicentennial: https://tokencatalog.com/token_record_forms.php?action=DisplayTokenRecord&td_id=535580&inventory_id=605806&td_image_id=418043&attribution_id=553584&record_offset=1.
• The Milwaukee Iron is a Harley Davidson collectible like this one (not sure, it may be the same one): https://www.worthpoint.com/worthopedia/set-coins-pin-harley-davidson-1801956788
• I spent a little more time on the Pennsylvania one (local interest) but no luck. I'm pretty sure it's related to Valley Forge.
• Iwo Jima is a commemorative token from the museum named, here's the website: https://www.pacificwarmuseum.org/
• The last one is W. Clement Stone. There's a ton of people striking similar tokens, which appear to be motivational in nature; here's an example: https://earthquakecoins.ecrater.com/p/28155616/make-a-great-decision-motivate-yourself-to

The thing with tokens is collectors are very specialized. I am only interested in tax tokens and mining scrip, for example. There is a market out there for these things and some of yours are in great shape, but finding it can be tricky. Best of luck!

I would not send it in for grading without talking to the TPG first. You may be dealing with something much more unusual than an altered FEC. If you want to go down that path, I would encourage you to contact them directly, tell them what you have and refer them to this thread. They may be very interested in seeing it in hand -- or maybe they'll refer you to an antiquarian.

While you don't seem to want to hear it, it is PMD. There is environmental damage to the coin, which is evident from the toning and the selective removal of the copper layer as well as the significant loss of detail to the faces of the coin. Physical damage around the edge has created a deep rim and reduced the diameter.

In terms of different planchet, that's easy to eliminate: if it were a nickel planchet it would not be showing any clad layer whatsoever.

You've got a variety of commemoratives or tokens. Some appear to be from museums but the images are too small for me to tell anything more.

5 hours ago, Dustin Maples said:

It don’t have one

You mean that the obverse (front) of the coin is one of those images with the circular marks? If so, I'm afraid it's been subjected to severe PMD and of no value. Shame, as that one might actually have been a true error worth a little bit.

Sorry, at best that's just machine doubling. While a handsome coin, it's not worth having graded.

That is awesome. With the coin's date...messages across lines during Civil War? Probably worth having someone take a look at it. However, who to take it to I'm at a loss.

Great chart, Greenstang - have not seen that before and definitely d/l and saved! Props to whoever created that; thanks for sharing.

I just see toning/damage/debris; I think it's a circulated Philadelphia cent.

Very cool. Love tokens are kind of a weird thing - definitely there are collectors, but not a complete overlap with numismatists. Since you said this was a relative's collection, you might spend a little bit trying to figure out if "Aunt Hattie" is family; it would probably be more valuable as an heirloom if you can dig up some info.

Sorry, MD on this one.

What the heck...is that black stuff the zinc core or just gunk? If exposed it should be turning whitish.

Looks maybe like someone punched it.

Nice clear pics but unfortunately they're not much help. It *could* be a tughra; then again, it *could* be something else. It also looks like the first coin was either struck twice or it's a vise job.

Accurate weight (g, two decimal places) and diameter (mm) are going to go a long way toward helping ID these if they can be determined. If you can have a jeweler hit them with an XRF gun to confirm the composition, that would be even better.

Ok, I've seen that ridge in front of the eye before on some of mine. I chalked it up to a plating bubble. Let's see what the error experts say!

Another point to consider: despite what "the Internet" says, most errors don't do much in terms of value, and error coins still follow the rules of condition. Grade is incredibly important.

If you want to focus on collecting errors, learn what they are as Greenstang suggests, and then really understand which ones add value to a coin. 

I don't collect Somalia but I have a lot of Japanese yen...they feel like nothing, so I know where you're coming from Hinkle! They do feel almost plastic in hand.

10 hours ago, Conder101 said:

In high school chemistry they wouldn't permit the chemistry teacher to requisition chemicals based on need, only by alphabetical order, so for qualitative analysis of metals we couldn't use the alternate safe reagent, we HAD to let 10th graders play with potassium cyanide.

 

It was really silly, the teacher had to submit his request for chemicals listed in alphbetical order.  They didn't tell him how much they had to spend on the chemicals and then they just started filling it from the top of the list until the money ran out.  You know how hard it must be to plan a chemistry curriculum with no chemicals with names starting after D. 

This is not only insane, it's still going on...my wife is a pediatric occupational therapist in a school. Last September she had to requisition what she needed for a new classroom, and they would not tell her the budget nor the prices of the items she was requisitioning. Sure enough, they filled the requisitions in alphabetical order until the money ran out. She got past D but missed huge swathes of what she needed. Every few months they must get more money, because a box would show up. We are convinced after schools reopen she's going to go back to boxes piled outside the door.

Back to your story - real bummer, sodium and potassium were two of my faves in HS chemistry. Plus our chemistry teacher loved teaching us how to fill test tubes with hydrogen and ignite it.

13 hours ago, RWB said:

Do not play around with potassium cyanide - poison.

It's sad that you have to even say that. I'm teaching my kids basic chemistry (starting with unless you know for sure what it is and what it's for, do not touch/sniff/ingest anything) since they won't start learning it in school until 10th grade - which is long after curiosity got the better of me. Now to go about deprogramming the notion that anything "natural" is safe...