Ron Smith

My mistake The 1885 Brown proof in this picture is a 67

On 12/15/2021 at 12:37 PM, VKurtB said:

Send 'em in. Yes, it'll be the source of many a sleepless night while they are away from you, but all the "sales job" in the world on this forum will not change their grade one iota. The only reason to hold them now is to get more coins together to spread out the fixed costs. I do that all the time.

On 12/15/2021 at 12:37 PM, VKurtB said:

Send 'em in. Yes, it'll be the source of many a sleepless night while they are away from you, but all the "sales job" in the world on this forum will not change their grade one iota. The only reason to hold them now is to get more coins together to spread out the fixed costs. I do that all the time.

Well if thats the case this 66 Proof Brown 1885 NGC must be questionable color too. Its a bookend to my 98. I was hoping to get someome who was into Indian Heads when I got away from the water cooler bunch but I guess you guys are all over the place. I have over 100 UNC Indians and have been real busy. I see the insults are non  stop here. Finding anyone on here that specializes on Indian Head Cents seems to be impossible I guess. Indian Proofs of the purple blue tone is very common. If you go on Ebay right now there are two dealers that have plenty of them up for sale. They probably sell more graded NGC coins than anyone on ebay. All I can say is I hope you guys aren't graders for them. It kind of looks like you would be a little bias the way you have been treating me I probably won't have a chance. I have sent many coins into NGC and PCGS in the past and have about an 85% grading avg. Anyway. If you have some copper to view let me have a crack at them. I will be very honest too. Ha ha 

On 12/15/2021 at 12:37 PM, VKurtB said:

Send 'em in. Yes, it'll be the source of many a sleepless night while they are away from you, but all the "sales job" in the world on this forum will not change their grade one iota. The only reason to hold them now is to get more coins together to spread out the fixed costs. I do that all the time.

On 12/14/2021 at 7:24 PM, Mohawk said:

If that's the case, then I think it's going to be a bad day for ol' Ron.

On 12/15/2021 at 12:37 PM, VKurtB said:

Send 'em in. Yes, it'll be the source of many a sleepless night while they are away from you, but all the "sales job" in the world on this forum will not change their grade one iota. The only reason to hold them now is to get more coins together to spread out the fixed costs. I do that all the time.

I'm thinking 66 Brown on the 1886 and a 65-66 Red on the 1898. The two small carbon spots on the 86 or I would have a real shot at a 67. The strike color and luster on this coin looks much better than the only 67 brown NGC graded close to 20 years ago in a magnified look I saw of it sold on a Heritage auction in my opinion. The strike is prooflike. This 1898 proof Indian is another I am submitting. Great strike and color. Near flawless. I'm thinking a 66 Brown on this one too. Anyway I have a pic of the only 67 1886 Type one NGC has graded. I just don't see the same quality as mine. I would think the blotches and a few small hits would be more of an annoying than two pin sized spots. My probably biased opinion of course  

This 1886 Type one is a business strike but has an incredible strike and luster. The 1898 is beautiful gold tone. I feel they should grade quite well

Here is a 66 Variety 2 next to mine. Sorry guys you can say all you want. There is no way to say the coin on the left could look better than mine on the right. Luster strike and color far superior to the the one on the left. You could take pictures of the one on the left all day or put it under a scope and not change that. You take away those couple of little dots you have a 68. This coin is struck like a proof. You can go through the achieves in Heritage auctions and there are no business strike 86 browns that look like this. There are a couple of proofs that look similar that are brown 66 but that is it. Color luster and strike beat out two very minor spots.  

A couple of different shots

Hi. The luster on the 1855 is extremely high. The pics don't do it justice and there is some nice flashy red coming through on the reverse very original hard to see in the photos so the odds of it being recolored don't seem too high. A recolored coin would look more dull and I doubt they would recolor just one side. The patina on this one is really super.  

A real nice brown 1885 Great luster some red poking through and not a spot on it. The 91 has a couple of spots but the strike luster and color not to mention a hard one for me to find in the raw for less than a hundred bucks I had to have it. 

Actually acquired bookend 1900's from a guy who had a roll of these. We will see how it goes

My 98 The obverse is near flawless hopefully it carries the reverse which has slight toning for a 65 Red The 92 Hoping for a 65RB as it is lightly toned

A couple more hopefuls Not big on Large cents but this one caught my eye. I rarely find raw ones this nice. The 95 Indian is a great coin except the discoloration reverse on the N but I think the rest of the coin should carry it.   

Here is the 67. Lifeless nowhere near the strike luster or color. Which one would you want. This one even looks blotchy 

Those two small spots are it. Look at the 67 that was graded. It has nowhere near the luster strike or color of this one. Those two little dots. could not bring this coin down that much. Personally the graded 67 looks way over graded to me. It is in an old holder and graded many years ago. My opinion of course. I have been dealing with Indians for about 30 years.

This coin is truly stunning and is head and shoulders better than any I have seen of this date and designation. No it isn't a proof coin although the strike would make you think so, Incredible color and luster. Near flawless. I have looked at the highest graded of this date and designation and this blows it away. I'm getting ready to send it in.  Any thoughts.

My passion is Indian Head pennies but I am getting gun shy of buying any anymore especially the uncirculated ones. Almost all of them I send in for grading come back altered colors. I have seen some obviously colored coins out there on ebay, bright orange and very unnatural looking but also many that look so good that you could set them side by side with a graded one and never tell the difference. First of all I have looked everywhere at how this coloring is done and how they do this. I can't find a thing. I mean these coins have high luster and beautiful natural color, Many have toning. What do I look for to avoid buying these coins. I have looked at literally thousands of graded ones on Heritage Auctions to try to pin down the difference without success, Sometimes I almost feel that if the coin looks too good NGC won't grade it just because they think that it might be altered colors but don't know for sure. Wouldn't there be some way to test these coins for a foreign substance on them to tell if they had really been tampered with. Very frustrated. Thanks.