MJ

Coinman you make some intelligent and salient points from your POV. Last post not withstanding ; )

For me I think they are in a grey area and I side on caution in favor of the entrepreneur. In this case I've come to know Daniel and I'm sure he is a good and knowledgable man. It's hurtful to me when people call him a counterfeiter. That is a label I think is venomous in light of the fact that it's not been proved so. It's cr@p

mark

 

By contrast, D koan Carr's exonumia are a boost to numismatics, in their small way they are adding to the interest, popularity and collectibility of coins, and he should receive appreciation for his considerable efforts and craftsmanship.

 

 

This has always been my stance as well. I know a few collectors who got intiated into US coins by first collecting Carr coins. It was their gateway. Conversely I know several HEAVYWEIGHTS ( and I don't mean in pounds Roger) of the coin world who collect these as well.

 

mark

 

I certainly appreciate this position.

However, regardless of personal likes or dislikes or perceived benefit to the hobby or not, it does not address the legal issues. This is all the more reason to contact the U.S. Attorney General. After all, I would think it would be in the interest of persons that have the pieces to determine the pieces are legal and not against the law. The only confidence of legality a present owner has is the word of the producer of the pieces. That is not legal assurance, to me and foes not give me confidence that I would not have to forfeit the piece in the future. But I realize that is just my own opinion.

I might. If I indeed questioned their legality. Since I don't, I won't. Why would I?

mark

 

By contrast, Dan Carr's exonumia are a boost to numismatics, in their small way they are adding to the interest, popularity and collectibility of coins, and he should receive appreciation for his considerable efforts and craftsmanship.

 

This has always been my stance as well. I know a few collectors who got intiated into US coins by first collecting Carr coins. It was their gateway. Conversely I know several HEAVYWEIGHTS ( and I don't mean in pounds Roger) of the coin world who collect these as well.

mark

Safe to say yet another DCarr thread where nothing is learned and no minds were changed. If anything people are just digging in their heels even more.

 

Mark

 

 

isn't the issue a matter of law? .

 

Hiya John

Yes it's a matter of the law. Your interpretation differs then mine.

mark

Safe to say yet another DCarr thread where nothing is learned and no minds were changed. If anything people are just digging in their heels even more.

Mark

Jason that will do ; )

mark

Where is Brandon when we need him

mark

The moment DCarr shows up here, I predict at least a 70 post thread...

 

Mark

Look at the big brain on Brad

Nice call.......

mark

Are you hereby giving up your right to sue under any state's lemon law on something just because you didn't do your due diligence and inspect what kind of oil was in any vehicle you ever bought?

 

If you cared about faking people out you would obviously stamp all your coins. You are a skilled designer and could find a way to tastefully do it.

 

Sometimes my faith wavers. But if there is a good Lord he watches what you do at work.

 

Only six states have a "lemon law" for used cars: CT, MA, MN, NJ, NM, NY. If you live in any of the other 44 states and you buy a used car, you DEFINITELY have to perform your due diligence or you may very well get stuck with a "lemon" and without recourse. I reside in CO, so I would have nothing to "give up".

 

Also, a malfunctioning vehicle is a danger to the driver, passengers, and the general public. A malfunctioning coin is not. So they are completely different, except that "buyer beware" is generally the case with all things.

 

You do a fine job rationalizing why you can't figure out how to tastefully put your name on or mark your product sir. It stretches your logic a bit. It also makes me hope I don't let a penny out of my sight in front of a man like you.

 

FWIW, my analogies have been on if a bit extreme. Fruad is fraud. Thanks to your business coin newbs are one step further away from just being able to buy a piece of history without consulting the internet or an expert.

 

If that is the type of legacy you WANT to leave behind because you are too ashamed to put your name on your product so be it. I would be ashamed to be an offspring or business partner of yours so I understand.

 

"Buyer beware" is the most fitting epitaph for your marker according to your quotes.

Weak. The entire post.

mark

#50!

 

 

 

 

 

 

^^^^^^^

this

mark

NGC and PCGS don't at the moment. I guess the question was posed has anyone tried on the 64-D since they do appear in a publication that PCGS recognizes.

I'm with Martin Louges ( Cardinal ). I think it would be great if they did but dont care if they don't

mark

As I recall the 60s when I started collecting, Coin collecting used to be more fun, back when whizzed coins were common, counterfeits were everywhere, and the same coin was BU when purchased and EF when sold. Yeah, I can see the response to this comment now: People should learn to recognize whizzed coins, detect counterfeits, and how to grade. What a great hobby...I have to study, study, study rather than simply relax and enjoy.

 

These are the golden days of collecting. Encapsulated coins are (virtually) never whizzed nor counterfeit. With the ever-increasing sophistication of counterfeits, that last fact is very reassuring. Plus the encapsulation means that when my kids were much younger, I could let them look at my coins with no fear of harm coming to the coins. Grading remains an issue, but much less so with the big 2 (or 3) grading companies.

 

Plus, no one tells me that I have to chase "grade rarities" (such as the coin featured in this thread way back at the start) and pay a hefty price to acquire them. I can do so if I want or I can choose to pass. Moreover, if others want to collect these sorts of coins because they enjoy doing so, more power to them. Let them have a good time because their good times have no effect on me.

 

Mark

 

 

 

You said it in the true spirit of collecting for the joy of it. No negativity here!

Part of the fun being a serious collector at least for me, is the learning process by educating myself. In the end, I make the decisions, not a dealer or a slab!!

 

Here is a Roosie that tied for the second finest known example of a 1964 D.

 

http://coins.ha.com/itm/roosevelt-dimes/dimes/1964-d-10c-ms67-full-bands-pcgs/a/1234-4168.s?ic4=ListView-Thumbnail-071515

 

Strategically anticipating some expert analytical comparisons to "Just Having Fun"

 

That 67+ is a much better looking coin based on the pics. Highest grade does not always equal better. I would hope that is universally known

Mark

400 bottles of beer on the wall, 400 bottles of beer.......

mark

You need to compare the same date and mint mark. In theory it shouldn't matter. In reality it does.

mark

You are indeed correct. There will be price discovery amongst actual players in this field.

mark

This SH I T is sooooo toxic around here.

Time for a nice long break.

I hope you all enjoy yourselves while bringing other people down, whining, crying and just being overly negative about anyone and anything that doesn't line up with your narrow minded views & opinions.

 

Good luck

I have felt like this in the past. Actually one of our esteemed posters asked if I word reconsider as there is such little participation in numbers here. Take a short break and please come back.You are a quality poster.

mark

What's the surprise announcement? I am pretty well outside of the "in-crowd" and operating in my own little isolated bubble when it comes to the biz for the most part.

 

I am genuinely curious though if u care to share

 

Laser slab engraving that confirms that the CAC sticker is accurate in calling the coin accurately graded as an A or B coin for that slab grade.

 

Question is, when will see an exanpsion of the archaic ABC rating system. There are so many more letters that can better express where the coin falls on the quality spectrum.

 

Tell me you're joking... ? Is this something CAC would do, PCGS/NGC, or are we going to be blessed by the graces of yet another pay to play must have for slabs? This has to be a joke... ?

Rick ain't a CAC guy so I doubt it. There maybe some germs of thruth to the slab being identified/ marked

I suggest to be patient. Could be an air ball. Or not. I

mark

brg5658

I like your collecting niche very much

mark

Trust me the announcement will not be a 100 point system no matter what street you have your ear to.

Paul, that was an excellent post

mark

I have two suggestions:

 

1) One poster ought to change his or her name here to Mrlastword. I won't mention who it is because I sure don't want to get into a posting match with him or her.

 

2) Rather than calling this place "Sleepy Hollow" as it has been sometimes described ATS, perhaps "Nasty Hollow" would be more appropriate.

 

Mark

 

This is tame. You should see the Dan Carr threads.

You assumed right. He is probably the leading expert on moderns

 

mark

 

And?

 

You assumed he was knowledgable. You were right

 

You are welcome

 

mark

 

Childish and unnecessary.

I anticipated you thanking me. My bad. I jumped the gun.

mark

You assumed right. He is probably the leading expert on moderns

 

mark

 

And?

You assumed he was knowledgable. You were right

You are welcome

mark

You assumed right. He is probably the leading expert on moderns

mark

I will also add that in the recent 83-CC thread we had a few guesses from esteemed board members here that thought the coin was a 67. To others the coin was no better then a 64 and or cleaned/ heavily dipped ( lots of folks ATS as well). Images can be deceiving. When people get the guesses right they are experts. When they get them wrong it's based on misinterpreting the images or lighting or something else. To me it was obvious that the 83-cc Morgan in question was a 64 at best and likely upgradable. To others it was a 67 with an asterisk stating the obvious. That the images might be "hiding" something. In Mitch's case maybe , just maybe the images maybe accentuating "marks". It cuts both ways. I also get some way wrong on GTG's based on images.

Anyways, I look forward to Mark's comments regardless as another POV and one that is based on actually seeing the coin in hand

Mark

Wondercoin said

"Summary... I personally like the 64-D dime as an MS68FB coin, which is why I offered it on eBay. Did I ever say the coin was an upgrade shot to MS68+FB - NO. Did I ever say the coin had "strong" Bands - NO. Did I ever say the coin was mark-free on the obverse and reverse - NO"

As stated early, 68's don't need to be mark free. As stated earlier I like this coin better as a 67 from super large images though I never viewed it in hand. It is it fact a dime and not a hubcap. Mitch is more qualified then me so I'll punt for now.

FYI this still might be the finest graded 64-D out there regardless of grade. If you lined every single 64-d out there this may come out on top. Some want the very best. I can get behind that even if I don't always play in that end of the pool.

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