Newps from a 1961 Proof Set.....no cameo's just Toners!!!

[kryptonitecomics]

Just back from NGC.....bought an opened 61 proof set off Ebay that looked to have a few toners in it. Set them off to NGC and they promptly came back body bagged. I contacted NGC to let them know that I wanted to have the coins reviewed again since I personally cut them out of the proof set myself and they graded them free of charge the second time through.......

 

They may not be monsters, but the Burgundy wine colors are rich and unique so I think they are great additions to my toned coin collection!!! :1Applause;

 

 

 

 

 

 

[cpm9ball]

Shane, did they give you any reason for the initial rejection? AT?

 

What would you have done if NGC hadn't believed you when you told them that you cracked the set?

 

Isn't it possible that a Mint-issued set could be altered before submission?

 

This makes me wonder.....................

 

Is it possible to submit a complete, Mint-issued set when you only want one or two coins from the set graded?

 

Would NGC return the other coins without grading them?

 

Wouldn't this be the prudent thing to do to avoid the possibility of getting a body bag?

 

Chris

[HaydenTubbs]

Shane, did they give you any reason for the initial rejection? AT?

 

What would you have done if NGC hadn't believed you when you told them that you cracked the set?

 

Isn't it possible that a Mint-issued set could be altered before submission?

 

This makes me wonder.....................

 

Is it possible to submit a complete, Mint-issued set when you only want one or two coins from the set graded?

 

Would NGC return the other coins without grading them?

 

Wouldn't this be the prudent thing to do to avoid the possibility of getting a body bag?

 

Chris

 

Chris,I feel some coming one. Maybe I could tell them that proof Barber dime that they just body bagged came from a set I just cut up.

Of course every one knows Shane gets preferential treatment from NGC ....

 

 

-Hayden

 

BTW sweet toners,Shane! Originality at it's best...

[midwest]

Wow your gas bills must be high

 

 

Anyway those are really sweet coin ( note to self get Shanes ebay account password to know what he is bidding on) . Really though I see no way to be sure a proof coin is NT. The second you say bring it in this and it is real the con artists will come up with a way to beat the system. In the end every toned coin has to be decided on it's own merit not some packaging. Fortunately some are no brainers. However sometimes you have to go with your gut instinct. Couple that with having to decide quickly makes it impossible. We always say but the coin not the holder because the holder can't keep you safe so how can some flimsy pliofilm protect you from AT coins Remeber folks grade the coin not the packagaing

[michael]

the squiky wheel gets the grease

[kryptonitecomics]

Shane, did they give you any reason for the initial rejection? AT?

 

Yes Art Toning was the reason they bagged the coins

 

What would you have done if NGC hadn't believed you when you told them that you cracked the set?

 

It really didn't matter if they believed me or not....I simply asked them to take another look and give me their opinion....and at a second glance, they felt the coins were indeed NT as I suggested.

 

Isn't it possible that a Mint-issued set could be altered before submission?

 

I would say absolutely...in this case the packing was starting to severly degrade, which I have found to be quite common with 60's proof sets and the process of the deteriation and the outgassing that occurs etc can bring about some really beautiful and intense toning!!!

 

Is it possible to submit a complete, Mint-issued set when you only want one or two coins from the set graded?

 

I don't think so which is why I only sent in two coins from the set.

 

Would NGC return the other coins without grading them?

 

I would really have to ask them as I don't know their policy on this one

 

Wouldn't this be the prudent thing to do to avoid the possibility of getting a body bag?

 

The coin should be judged on it's own merit and not the packaging in my opinion, which is exactly what they did both times. I have 0 pull with NGC.....I have submitted a total of about 30 coins in the past 5 years so I am not a big enough player to even think about trying to convince them to find in my favor were that even possible

 

[cpm9ball]

Shane, did they give you any reason for the initial rejection? AT?

 

Yes Art Toning was the reason they bagged the coins

 

What would you have done if NGC hadn't believed you when you told them that you cracked the set?

 

It really didn't matter if they believed me or not....I simply asked them to take another look and give me their opinion....and at a second glance, they felt the coins were indeed NT as I suggested.

 

Isn't it possible that a Mint-issued set could be altered before submission?

 

I would say absolutely...in this case the packing was starting to severly degrade, which I have found to be quite common with 60's proof sets and the process of the deteriation and the outgassing that occurs etc can bring about some really beautiful and intense toning!!!

 

Is it possible to submit a complete, Mint-issued set when you only want one or two coins from the set graded?

 

I don't think so which is why I only sent in two coins from the set.

 

Would NGC return the other coins without grading them?

 

I would really have to ask them as I don't know their policy on this one

 

Wouldn't this be the prudent thing to do to avoid the possibility of getting a body bag?

 

The coin should be judged on it's own merit and not the packaging in my opinion, which is exactly what they did both times. I have 0 pull with NGC.....I have submitted a total of about 30 coins in the past 5 years so I am not a big enough player to even think about trying to convince them to find in my favor were that even possible

 

 

Thanks, Shane! I agree that a coin should be judged on its own merit, but I'm still concerned about the unnecessary expense (postage & insurance) you would incur for the resubmission. Personally, I would prefer to leave nothing to chance by "covering all the bases" at the outset.

 

By the way, NICE COINS! See you at F.U.N.!

 

Chris