1795 Off Centered Draped Bust Silver Dollar 1 1

[Lauren Scheffler]

Looking for some opinions regarding potential authenticity of this coin? 

I believe the counterstamp is from Henry Barrett Crosby of Paterson, NJ. Here is his history. Time period works and my family is from Paterson.

http://files.usgwarchives.net/nj/passaic/bios/crosby-hb.txt

Any thoughts would be greatly appreciated!

[Greenstang]

Duplicate post.

See previous post on same coin.

[Sandon]

    The previous post was on a topic that originated in 2020 about a different coin, and I suggested that it would receive better attention as a new topic.  As I indicated there, I think that this coin could be a genuine 1795 Draped Bust dollar with a contemporary counterstamp and recommended that it be shown to established dealers for opinions after in-hand inspection.

[Fenntucky Mike]

Not the typical obvious fake that we see so often here, definitely worth having it looked at by someone reputable.

[Just Bob]

Is there any way you can post a clearer picture of the obverse?

[Henri Charriere]

It's real alright.  Who would bother desecrating a fake?  I don't perceive it as being off-center.  Denticle insurance was not introduced until the late 19th century.  🤣

[Lauren Scheffler]

Just Bob, here are some clearer photos front and back. Thanks

[Just Bob]

You may have already seen this 2 reales that sold on Heritage last year but I will post a picture for the rest of the members to see. The counter stamps, while not identical, look very close. The slight differences may be due to lighting and photography, as well as wear of the stamp and different force being applied when hammering.

[Mike Meenderink]

It is authentic and it has a neat clear strong counterstamp. Good coin for the CS collector.

[Lauren Scheffler]

Wow! Thats amazing to see! I was actually trying to find another image with this same counterstamp but didn’t have any luck. The stamp is slightly different but most likely the same person. I’m 99% sure this refers to a person name Henry Barrett Crosby. I learned that amongst other things he was a wholesale grocer and I learned it was fairly common for store owners to mark their money. He also worked for Samuel Colt for a period of time. Do you have any other information about that coin? A link to its sale? Etc 

[Mike Meenderink]

On 6/8/2024 at 9:38 PM, Lauren Scheffler said:

Wow! Thats amazing to see! I was actually trying to find another image with this same counterstamp but didn’t have any luck. The stamp is slightly different but most likely the same person. I’m 99% sure this refers to a person name Henry Barrett Crosby. I learned that amongst other things he was a wholesale grocer and I learned it was fairly common for store owners to mark their money. He also worked for Samuel Colt for a period of time. Do you have any other information about that coin? A link to its sale? Etc 

I do not collect counterstamp coins, but I do enjoy them. You would be better served learning about the coin itself like the history of the coin where it was minted how many were minted etc.. The coin is more important than the counterstamp. Often a counterstamp can devalue a coin. Sometimes certain stamps are sought after. I'd learn about the coin first. Cheers

 

[Henri Charriere]

On 6/9/2024 at 12:56 AM, Mike Meenderink said:

...You would be better served learning about the coin itself like the history of the coin where it was minted how many were minted etc...

I would agree but one cannot overlook the quasi-personal.connection here. Take Paterson, NJ out of the equation and what are you left with? A scrawny eagle. [I would go further and suggest if you take a really close look at the family tree you'd find Bing Crosby was a scion.]  

[Just Bob]

On 6/8/2024 at 11:38 PM, Lauren Scheffler said:

Wow! Thats amazing to see! I was actually trying to find another image with this same counterstamp but didn’t have any luck. The stamp is slightly different but most likely the same person. I’m 99% sure this refers to a person name Henry Barrett Crosby. I learned that amongst other things he was a wholesale grocer and I learned it was fairly common for store owners to mark their money. He also worked for Samuel Colt for a period of time. Do you have any other information about that coin? A link to its sale? Etc 

Click here

Sell price was $240, including the buyers premium.

Edited June 9 by Just Bob

[Lauren Scheffler]

That’s awesome, thanks for showing me!