Leumas Numis Posted June 16, 2020 Share Posted June 16, 2020 Tengo entre mis monedas 1 dollar de plata 1795, cabello atado y otra de 1/2 dolar 1795 Cabello suelto. Antes de enviar a clasificar quisiera tener certeza de su autenticidad. Lamentablemente no puedo acceder al sitio asignado por ustedes, pregunto ¿Puedo enviar un correo, adonde con fotografía en archivo adjunto? Muchas gracias. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JKK Posted June 16, 2020 Share Posted June 16, 2020 23 minutes ago, Leumas Numis said: Tengo entre mis monedas 1 dollar de plata 1795, cabello atado y otra de 1/2 dolar 1795 Cabello suelto. Antes de enviar a clasificar quisiera tener certeza de su autenticidad. Lamentablemente no puedo acceder al sitio asignado por ustedes, pregunto ¿Puedo enviar un correo, adonde con fotografía en archivo adjunto? Muchas gracias. Ud. puede poner los fotos aqui, sin problema. Necesitamos todos los dos lados, bien cortados y claros. Pero adelante, necesito decir a Ud. que estos monedos son frecuentemente falsificados. Los vemos aqui regularmente, y normalmente podemos ver a la primera mira que son reproducciones. Si Ud. los pone aqui, Ud. puede recibir contestas mas rapidos. Es mucho mas barato que mandarlos a NGC para recibir autenticaciones y grados. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leumas Numis Posted June 16, 2020 Author Share Posted June 16, 2020 Esta moneda de $ 0,50 dolar no está en excelente condiciones, pero igualmente es muy valiosa para mí. Su peso es de 13,0408 gramos equivalente a 0,460 oz. y un diametro de 32,3 mm. y en canto tiene una inscripción fifty cents o half dollar. Esta Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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JKK Posted June 16, 2020 Share Posted June 16, 2020 El peso y el diametro son creibles por un ejemplo autentico con uso medio a mucho. Ud. puede ver aqui un ejemplo sin uso. No soy especialisto en dolares de pelo fluyendo, pero un comparison visual me hace pensar que el suyo es autentico. Normalmente los reproducciones tienen color incorrecto, or tienen errores pequeños. Los hoyitos al reverso son tipicos de mucho uso. Mi guia roja (referencia importante de monedos estadounidenses) me dice que hay tres clases del 1795: fecha normal, fecha recortada, tres hojas abajo cada ala. El libro dice tambien que hay algunas variaciones raras. No los conozco bastante bien para decir, pero se como preguntar al equipo: Hey, regulars, do you agree with me that this is a worn but authentic-looking 1795 flowing hair half? If so, do you think it fits any of the subtypes or variations? Our visitor here can use some help. I can translate, more or less, if you'd like. I encouraged him to post pics before sending them in. He's also got a '95 dollar which I explained was a very commonly counterfeited piece, but we haven't seen his yet, so that jury hasn't even convened. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kbbpll Posted June 17, 2020 Share Posted June 17, 2020 I don't know anything about these but it sure doesn't scream "fake" to me. I got as far as seeing that the reverse has what looks like a cud / crack that resembles the one on Overton 107a, but the vines & berries are different. Google translate says the OP's comment is partly "in song it has an inscription fifty cents or half dollar" - is this referring to edge lettering? If that's accurate, a plus for being real. NGC says "19 obverse and 22 reverse dies are known" so I'll wait for an expert. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JKK Posted June 17, 2020 Share Posted June 17, 2020 4 hours ago, kbbpll said: I don't know anything about these but it sure doesn't scream "fake" to me. I got as far as seeing that the reverse has what looks like a cud / crack that resembles the one on Overton 107a, but the vines & berries are different. Google translate says the OP's comment is partly "in song it has an inscription fifty cents or half dollar" - is this referring to edge lettering? If that's accurate, a plus for being real. NGC says "19 obverse and 22 reverse dies are known" so I'll wait for an expert. El dice que el no sabe nada sobre esos, pero esto no le grita 'falso'. El vi que el reverso tiene un craque similar al uno en la variedad Overton 107a, pero los detalles son diferentes que aquella. Si Ud. hablaba a la tipografia del borde, el cree que es mas probable que es autentico (estoy de acuerdo con el sobre eso). El dice finalmente que se saben 19 cuños anversos y 22 reversos, y espere que un experto llegara. (kbb: not a precise translation, but conveys the gist. Thanks for pitching in.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Conder101 Posted June 17, 2020 Share Posted June 17, 2020 I'm coming up with O-119, and it looks real to me. Now we need pictures of the 1795 Draped Bust dollar (which is what I assume it means by what google translates as "tied hair". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JKK Posted June 17, 2020 Share Posted June 17, 2020 2 minutes ago, Conder101 said: I'm coming up with O-119, and it looks real to me. Now we need pictures of the 1795 Draped Bust dollar (which is what I assume it means by what google translates as "tied hair". El ve un ejemplo de la variante Overton 119, autentica. El quiere ver fotos del dolar 1795. (Yo tambien.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leumas Numis Posted June 17, 2020 Author Share Posted June 17, 2020 9 hours ago, JKK said: El ve un ejemplo de la variante Overton 119, autentica. El quiere ver fotos del dolar 1795. (Yo tambien.) La moneda en cuestión cumple con la medida de diametro ( 40 mm) y pesa 26,95 grs (0,945 oz.= (segun catalogo 26,96). En el canto de 3 mm hablado dice: One dollar - Unit hundred cents - Ademas de algunoas guardas, estrellas, etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JKK Posted June 17, 2020 Share Posted June 17, 2020 2 minutes ago, Leumas Numis said: La moneda en cuestión cumple con la medida de diametro ( 40 mm) y pesa 26,95 grs (0,945 oz.= (segun catalogo 26,96). En el canto de 3 mm hablado dice: One dollar - Unit hundred cents - Ademas de algunoas guardas, estrellas, etc. He says: the coin in question measures 40mm and weighs 26.95g. On the edge it says: One dollar - Unit hundred cents, besides stars and [term I can't discern; could mean milling, could mean rims]. El anverso me parece incorrecto; el color, los detalles. Es similar a muchos que hemos visto, pero los rayones no son normales. El elevado abajo me parece como craque de cuño. El reverso tiene color mejor y menos desgaste, muy curioso cuando comparado al anverso. What do you all think? To me, the front looks fakey, and the scratches are odd (as is what looks like a die crack). Back looks better but maybe too much better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kbbpll Posted June 17, 2020 Share Posted June 17, 2020 Google translate says the last line as "On the 3 mm edge spoken it says: One dollar - Unit hundred cents - Also of some guards, stars, etc.". I thought "guards" might be vertical separation lines or something, but I don't know what the exact edge lettering looks like on these. It has that "fake look" but these images might be scans, which I find really distorts things. Perhaps ask them for more pictures. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JKK Posted June 17, 2020 Share Posted June 17, 2020 5 minutes ago, kbbpll said: Google translate says the last line as "On the 3 mm edge spoken it says: One dollar - Unit hundred cents - Also of some guards, stars, etc.". I thought "guards" might be vertical separation lines or something, but I don't know what the exact edge lettering looks like on these. It has that "fake look" but these images might be scans, which I find really distorts things. Perhaps ask them for more pictures. Google traduzca la ultima linea (mira a arriba; el no entiende tampoco). El pensaba que "guards" podria ser lineas de separacion verticales, pero no sabe como parece la inscripcion del canto. Parece inautentico, pero si los fotos son hechos con escaner, el cree que eso deforma el aspecto. El pregunta mas fotos (y estoy de acuerdo, porque esto puede solamente ayudar, el canto incluido). Thanks, kbb. That's not precise on my part, but should convey the intent satisfactorily. I added a request for shots of the edge lettering. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leumas Numis Posted June 17, 2020 Author Share Posted June 17, 2020 Envio 4 fotos del canto. Confieso que el rayon del Anverso, junto al borde, lo hice por accidente yo mismo con una tricheta (navaja) que se me escapó de un corte. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kbbpll Posted June 17, 2020 Share Posted June 17, 2020 Fotos como la del anverso y reverso por favor. Photos like that of the front and back please. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leumas Numis Posted June 18, 2020 Author Share Posted June 18, 2020 5 hours ago, kbbpll said: Fotos como la del anverso y reverso por favor. Photos like that of the front and back please. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Just Bob Posted June 18, 2020 Share Posted June 18, 2020 (edited) Unless I am mistaken, that (the dollar) is one of the known fake obverse dies. If Conder101 sees this, he should be able to confirm this, since he is the one that pointed it out in an earlier (about a year or so ago) thread. Several threads, actually, since there was a rash of these posted all together. Edited June 18, 2020 by Just Bob Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JKK Posted June 18, 2020 Share Posted June 18, 2020 4 minutes ago, Just Bob said: Unless I am mistaken, that (the dollar) is one of the known fake obverse dies. If Conder101 sees this, he should be able to confirm this, since he is the one that pointed it out in an earlier (about a year or so ago) thread. Several threads, actually, since there was a rash of these posted all together. El dice: A menos que estoy equivocado, este dolar es uno de los cuños falsos anversos. Si Conder101 veria esto, el debe poder confirmarlo, porque el lo vi aqui mas o menos un año pasado. Fuieron algunos similares al mismo tiempo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Conder101 Posted June 18, 2020 Share Posted June 18, 2020 Yes that is from the "vampire hub" modeled on the B-14 variety. Chances of it being real is pretty much zero. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JKK Posted June 18, 2020 Share Posted June 18, 2020 6 hours ago, Conder101 said: Yes that is from the "vampire hub" modeled on the B-14 variety. Chances of it being real is pretty much zero. El dice: Si, eso esta hecho con un cuño falso siguiendo la variedad B-14. Es falso, casi cierto. (Not precise to the word, but the basic meaning. I can't figure out how to say "hub" in Spanish in its numismatic context.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
