S. S. Republic: Civil War Gold

[cpm9ball]

This documentary from National Geographic/Odyssey Marine Exploration is available on DVD, and is free to anyone interested. I just received my copy today, and wanted to check it out before leading anyone on a wild goose chase. It turns out to be very interesting, and anyone wanting a free copy can contact Mike Welsh, E-mail: mwelsh@shipwreck.com.

 

While we were at NGC a couple of months ago, my Mom and I had an opportunity to view some of the artifacts (not the coins) being conserved that are shown on the video. They are truly amazing, and NGC has done a wonderful job. I only wish that I could afford some of the coins.

 

Chris

[melmcbee]

Very interesting Chris. Thanks for the link.

[Hoot]

It's funny, Chris - I received a phone call from Odyssey about two months ago. They offered me the DVD and said they'd send it right out. I received it a week ago! They have called several times in the meanwhile, wanting to know if I'd received the video and if I was interested in buying anything. I gave them Margulies' CC number and they're sending me a few coins "on approval."

 

Hoot

[michael]

good for greg i hope he enjoys those great fairly priced value opportunity

 

sunken treasure coins

 

 

i wonder waht the buy back will be two years from now or even 90 days after purchase

 

 

[michael]

got a question for you chris

 

are you joking or are you totally serious about wanting to get some of these grest value fairly priced coins??

 

if you are totally serious then i will have another post on here

[cpm9ball]

I gave them Margulies' CC number and they're sending me a few coins "on approval."

 

Hoot

 

Hoot, why don't you save us all a lot of time & trouble and post Greg's CC# at the top?

 

Chris

 

Ps. Be sure to include the 3-digit security code.

[cpm9ball]

got a question for you chris

 

are you joking or are you totally serious about wanting to get some of these grest value fairly priced coins??

 

if you are totally serious then i will have another post on here

 

Speak up, Michael! Say what's on your mind! Don't worry, I'm not "thin-skinned"! I won't be offended! Besides, I always consider the source!

 

Chris

[Hoot]

I gave them Margulies' CC number and they're sending me a few coins "on approval."

 

Hoot

 

Hoot, why don't you save us all a lot of time & trouble and post Greg's CC# at the top?

 

Chris

 

Ps. Be sure to include the 3-digit security code.

 

666 666 666 666 6

 

[chrisfuccione]

Thanks for the infomation.

[cpm9ball]

This documentary from National Geographic/Odyssey Marine Exploration is available on DVD, and is free to anyone interested. I just received my copy today, and wanted to check it out before leading anyone on a wild goose chase. It turns out to be very interesting, and anyone wanting a free copy can contact Mike Welsh, E-mail: mwelsh@shipwreck.com.

 

While we were at NGC a couple of months ago, my Mom and I had an opportunity to view some of the artifacts (not the coins) being conserved that are shown on the video. They are truly amazing, and NGC has done a wonderful job. I only wish that I could afford some of the coins.

 

Chris

 

I spoke with Mike Welsh today, and he said that he still has the DVD available for anyone who is interested.

 

Chris

[michael]

just remember civil war gold are coins dated

 

1861

1862

1863

1864

1865

 

done deal

[michael]

http://www.thelastfullmeasure.com/lincoln_image3.htm

[michael]

http://www.thelastfullmeasure.com/lincoln_image1.htm

[michael]

http://www.thelastfullmeasure.com/lincoln_image4.htm

[michael]

Letter to Major General Joseph Hooker

 

 

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Executive Mansion

 

Washington, D.C.

 

January 26, 1863

 

 

 

Major General Hooker:

 

 

 

General: I have placed you at the head of the Army of the Potomac. Of course I have done this upon what appears to me to be sufficient reasons, and yet I think it best for you to know that there are some things in regard to which I am not quite satisfied with you. I believe you to be a brave and skillful soldier, which, of course, I like. I also believe you do not mix politics with your profession, in which you are right. You have confidence in yourself, which is a valuable, if not an indispensable, quality. You are ambitious, which, within reasonable bounds, does good rather than harm; but I think that during General Burnside's command of the army you have taken counsel of your ambition, and thwarted him as much as you could, in which you did a great wrong to the country and to a most meritorious and honorable brother officer. I have heard, in such a way as to believe it, of your recently saying that both the Army and the Government needed a dictator. Of course, it was not for this, but in spite of it, that I have given you the command. Only those generals who gain successes can set up dictators. What I now ask of you is military success, and I will risk the dictatorship. The Government will support you to the utmost of its ability, which is neither more nor less than it has done and will do for all commanders. I much fear that the spirit which you have aided to infuse into the army, of criticizing their commander and withholding confidence from him, will now turn upon you. I shall assist you as far as I can to put it down. Neither you nor Napoleon, if he were alive again, could get any good out of an army while such a spirit prevails in it.

 

 

 

And now beware of rashness. Beware of rashness, but with energy and sleepless vigilance go forward and give us victories.

 

 

 

Yours, very truly,

 

 

 

A. Lincoln

[michael]

one of the ultimate usa federal coinage

 

is civil war gold 1861-1865 anything else is well [#@$%!!!] and marketing

 

these historical coins are not only undervalued and underapprecaited but extremely historical and downright rare

 

to have a cool piece weather it is circ or mintstate or the ultimate in proof

 

they went thruogh the civil war and man could they tell tales if they could talk

 

the ultimate collectible at least have one in your collection before they totally disappear due to unprescented demand in the up and coming future

[michael]

 

 

 

 

Abraham Lincoln 1809 - 1865

 

 

 

Mrs. Bixby Letter

 

 

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Executive Mansion

 

Washington, D.C.

 

November 21, 1864

 

 

 

Dear Madam,

 

 

 

I have been shown in the files of the War Department a statement of the Adjutant-General of Massachusetts, that you are the mother of five sons who have died gloriously on the field of battle.

 

 

 

I feel how weak and fruitless must be any words of mine which should attempt to beguile you from the grief of a loss so overwhelming. But I cannot refrain from tendering to you the consolation that may be found in the thanks of the Republic they died to save.

 

 

 

I pray that our Heavenly Father may assuage the anguish of your bereavement, and leave you only the cherished memory of the loved and lost, and the solemn pride that must be yours, to have laid so costly a sacrifice upon the altar of Freedom.

 

 

 

Yours, very sincerely and respectfully,

 

Abraham Lincoln

 

 

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Note:

 

President Lincoln wrote this letter expressing condolences to Mrs. Bixby, a widow who it was believed had lost five sons in the Civil War. After Lincoln wrote this letter it was later learned that only two of Mrs. Bixby's five sons had actually died in battle. In fact, one of her sons had deserted the army, one was honorably discharged and it is unclear what happened to the other son. Mrs. Bixby was believed to be a Confederate sympathizer and destroyed the original letter.

 

 

 

A reprint of the letter appeared in an eastern newspaper. The authorship of this letter is much debated and many scholars believe it was actually written John Hay, one of President Lincoln's secretaries.

[michael]

and make sure you get one of the ultimate usa coins commemoratiin\g lincoln and one of the most popular series imaginable and the longest running to boot

 

commemoratiing the 200th anniversary of the birth of lincoln in 1809

 

get a gem bu ms65/66 red 1909 and/or 1909 vdb

 

and if you can get it the ultimate usa coin the 1909 matte proof lincoln cent

 

in matte proof red brown pf 64 and higher or pf64 and higher red

 

with the ultimate of the ultimate the creme de la creme

 

matte proof 66 full red roman finish of 1909

[michael]

 

 

 

 

 

Abraham Lincoln 1809 - 1865

 

 

 

House Divided Speech

 

 

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Mr. President and Gentlemen of the Convention:

 

 

 

If we could first know where we are, and whither we are tending, we could then better judge what to do, and how to do it. We are now far into the fifth year, since a policy was initiated, with the avowed object, and confident promise, of putting an end to slavery agitation. Under the operation of that policy, that agitation has not only, not ceased, but has constantly augmented. In my opinion, it will not cease, until a crisis shall have been reached, and passed.

 

 

 

"A house divided against itself cannot stand."

 

 

 

I believe this government cannot endure, permanently half slave and half free. I do not expect the Union to be dissolved - I do not expect the house to fall - but I do expect it will cease to be divided. It will become all one thing or all the other. Either the opponents of slavery, will arrest the further spread of it, and place it where the public mind shall rest in the belief that it is in the course of ultimate extinction; or its advocates will push it forward, till it shall become alike lawful in all the States, old as well as new - North as well as South. Have we no tendency to the latter condition?

 

 

 

Let any one who doubts, carefully contemplate that now almost complete legal combination - piece of machinery so to speak - compounded of the Nebraska doctrine, and the Dred Scott decision. Let him consider not only what work the machinery is adapted to do, and how well adapted; but also, let him study the history of its construction, and trace, if he can, or rather fail, if he can, to trace the evidence of design and concert of action, among its chief architects, from the beginning.

 

 

 

The new year of 1854 found slavery excluded from more than half the States by State Constitutions, and from most of the national territory by congressional prohibition.

 

 

 

Four days later, commenced the struggle, which ended in repealing that congressional prohibition.

 

 

 

This opened all the national territory to slavery, and was the first point gained.

 

 

 

But, so far, Congress only, had acted; and an indorsement by the people, real or apparent, was indispensable, to save the point already gained, and give chance for more.

 

 

 

This necessity had not been overlooked; but had been provided for, as well as might be, in the notable argument of "squatter sovereignty," otherwise called "sacred right of self government," which latter phrase, though expressive of the only rightful basis of any government, was so perverted in this attempted use of it as to amount to just this: That if any one man, choose to enslave another, no third man shall be allowed to object.

 

 

 

That argument was incorporated into the Nebraska bill itself, in the language which follows: "It being the true intent and meaning of this act not to legislate slavery into any Territory or state, not to exclude it therefrom; but to leave the people thereof perfectly free to form and regulate their domestic institutions in their own way, subject only to the Constitution of the United States."

 

 

 

Then opened the roar of loose declamation in favor of "Squatter Sovereignty," and "Sacred right of self-government."

 

 

 

"But," said opposition members, "let us be more specific - let us amend the bill so as to expressly declare that the people of the territory may exclude slavery." "Not we," said the friends of the measure; and down they voted the amendment.

 

 

 

While the Nebraska Bill was passing through congress, a law case involving the question of a negroe's freedom, by reason of his owner having voluntarily taken him first into a free state and then a territory covered by the congressional prohibition, and held him as a slave, for a long time in each, was passing through the U.S. Circuit Court for the District of Missouri; and both Nebraska bill and law suit were brought to a decision in the same month of May, 1854. The negroe's name was "Dred Scott," which name now designates the decision finally made in the case.

 

 

 

Before the then next Presidential election, the law case came to, and was argued in, the Supreme Court of the United States; but the decision of it was deferred until after the election. Still, before the election, Senator Trumbull, on the floor of the Senate, requests the leading advocate of the Nebraska bill to state his opinion whether the people of a territory can constitutionally exclude slavery from their limits; and the latter answers: "That is a question for the Supreme Court."

 

 

 

The election came. Mr. Buchanan was elected, and the indorsement, such as it was, secured. That was the second point gained. The indorsement, however, fell short of a clear popular majority by nearly four hundred thousand votes, and so, perhaps, was not overwhelmingly reliable and satisfactory.

 

 

 

The outgoing President, in his last annual message, as impressively as possible, echoed back upon the people the weight and authority of the indorsement.

 

 

 

The Supreme Court met again; did not announce their decision, but ordered a re-argument.

 

 

 

The Presidential inauguration came, and still no decision of the court; but the incoming President, in his inaugural address, fervently exhorted the people to abide by the forthcoming decision, whatever might be.

 

 

 

Then, in a few days, came the decision.

 

 

 

The reputed author of the Nebraska Bill finds an early occasion to make a speech at this capital indorsing the Dred Scott Decision, and vehemently denouncing all opposition to it.

 

 

 

The new President, too, seizes the early occasion of the Silliman letter to indorse and strongly construe that decision, and to express his astonishment that any different view had ever been entertained.

 

 

 

At length a squabble springs up between the President and the author of the Nebraska Bill, on the mere question of fact, whether the Lecompton constitution was or was not, in any just sense, made by the people of Kansas; and in that squabble the latter declares that all he wants is a fair vote for the people, and that he cares not whether slavery be voted down or voted up. I do not understand his declaration that he cares not whether slavery be voted down or voted up, to be intended by him other than as an apt definition of the policy he would impress upon the public mind - the principle for which he declares he has suffered much, and is ready to suffer to the end.

 

 

 

And well may he cling to that principle. If he has any parental feeling, well may he cling to it. That principle, is the only shred left of his original Nebraska doctrine. Under the Dred Scott decision, "squatter sovereignty" squatted out of existence, tumbled down like temporary scaffolding - like the mould at the foundry served through one blast and fell back into loose sand -- helped to carry an election, and then was kicked to the winds. His late joint struggle with the , against the Lecompton Constitution, involves nothing of the original Nebraska doctrine. That struggle was made on a point, the right of a people to make their own constitution, upon which he and the have never differed.

 

 

 

The several points of the Dred Scott decision, in connection with Senator Douglas's "care not" policy, constitute the piece of machinery, in its present state of advancement. This was the third point gained.

 

 

 

The working points of that machinery are:

 

 

 

First, that no negro slave, imported as such from Africa, and no descendant of such slave, can ever be a citizen of any State, in the sense of that term as used in the Constitution of the United States.

 

 

 

This point is made in order to deprive the negro, in every possible event, of the benefit of that provision of the United States Constitution, which declares that -

 

 

 

"The citizens of each State shall be entitled to all privileges and immunities of citizens in the several States."

 

 

 

Secondly, that "subject to the Constitution of the United States, " neither Congress nor a Territorial legislature can exclude slavery from any United States Territory.

 

 

 

This point is made in order that individual men may fill up the Territories with slaves, without danger of losing them as property, and thus to enhance the chances of permanency to the institution through all the future.

 

 

 

Thirdly, that whether the holding a negro in actual slavery in a free State makes him free, as against the holder, the United States courts will not decide, but will leave to be decided by the courts of any slave State the negro may be forced into by the master.

 

 

 

This point is made, not to be pressed immediately; but, if acquiesced in for a while, and apparently indorsed by the people at an election, then to sustain the logical conclusion that what Dred Scott's master might lawfully do with Dred Scott, in the free State of Illinois, every other master may lawfully do with any other one, or one thousand slaves, in Illinois, or in any other free State.

 

 

 

Auxiliary to all this, and working hand in hand with it, the Nebraska doctrine, or what is left of it, is to educate and mold public opinion, at least Northern public opinion, not to care whether slavery is voted down or voted up.

 

 

 

This shows exactly where we now are; and partially, also, whither we are tending.

 

 

 

It will throw additional light on the latter, to go back, and run the mind over the string of historical facts already stated. Several things will now appear less dark and mysterious than they did when they were transpiring. The people were to be left "perfectly free" "subject only to the Constitution." What the Constitution had to do with it, outsiders could not then see. Plainly enough now, it was an exactly fitted niche, for the Dred Scott decision to afterward come in, and declare the perfect free freedom of the people to be just no freedom at all.

 

 

 

Why was the amendment, expressly declaring the right of the people, voted down? Plainly enough now: the adoption of it would have spoiled the niche for the Dred Scott decision.

 

 

 

Why was the court decision held up? Why even a Senator's individual opinion withheld, till after the presidential election? Plainly enough now- the speaking out then would have damaged the "perfectly free" argument upon which the election was to be carried.

 

 

 

Why the outgoing President's felicitation on the indorsement? Why the delay of a re-argument? Why the incoming President's advance exhortation in favor of the decision?

 

 

 

These things look like the cautious patting and petting of a spirited horse, preparatory to mounting him, when it is dreaded that he may give the rider a fall.

 

 

 

And why the hasty after indorsement of the decision by the President and others?

 

 

 

We cannot absolutely know that all these exact adaptations are the result of preconcert. But when we see a lot of framed timbers, different portions of which we know have been gotten out at different times and places, and by different workmen - Stephen, Franklin, Roger, and James, for instance - and when we see these timbers joined together, and see they exactly matte the frame of a house or a mill, all the tenons and mortices exactly fitting, and all the lengths and proportions of the different l pieces exactly adapted to their respective places, and not a piece. too many or too few - not omitting even scaffolding - or, if a single piece be lacking, we see the place in the frame exactly fitted and prepared yet to bring such piece in - in such a case we find it impossible not to believe that Stephen and Franklin and Roger and James all understood one another from the beginning and all worked upon a common plan or draft drawn up before the first lick was struck.

 

 

 

It should not be overlooked that, by the Nebraska Bill, the people of a State, as well as a Territory, were to be left "perfectly free," "subject only to the Constitution."

 

 

 

Why mention a State? They were legislating for Territories, and not for or about States. Certainly the people of a State are and ought to be subject to the Constitution of the United States; but why is mention of this lugged into this merely Territorial law? Why are the people of a Territory and the people of a State therein lumped together, and their relation to the Constitution therein treated as being precisely the same?

 

 

 

While the opinion of the court, by Chief Justice Taney, in the Dred Scott case and the separate opinions of all the concurring judges, expressly declare that the Constitution of the United States neither permits Congress nor a Territorial legislature to exclude slavery from any United States Territory, they all omit to declare whether or not the same Constitution permits a State, or the people of a State, to exclude it.

 

 

 

Possibly this is a mere omission; but who can be quite sure, if McLean or Curtis had sought to get into the opinion a declaration of unlimited power in the people of a State to exclude slavery from their limits, just as Chase and Mace sought to get such declaration, in behalf of the people of a Territory, into the Nebraska Bill - I ask, who can be quite sure that it would not have been voted down in the one case as it ad been in the other?

 

 

 

The nearest approach to the point of declaring the power of a State over slavery is made by Judge Nelson. He approaches it more than once, using the precise idea, and almost the language, too, of the Nebraska Act. On one occasion, his exact language is, "except in cases where the power is restrained by the Constitution of the United States the law of the State is supreme over the subject of slavery within its g jurisdiction."

 

 

 

In what cases the power of the States is so restrained by the United States Constitution is left an open question, precisely as the same question, as to the restraint on the power of the Territories, was left open in the Nebraska Act Put this and that together, and we have another nice little niche which we may ere long see filled with another Supreme Court decisions declaring that the Constitution of the United States does not permit a State to exclude slavery from its limits.

 

 

 

And this may especially be expected if the doctrine of "care not whether slavery be voted down or voted up," shall gain upon he public mind sufficiently to give promise that such a decision an be maintained when made.

 

 

 

Such a decision is all that slavery now lacks of being alike lawful in all the States.

 

 

 

Welcome, or unwelcome, such decision is probably coming, and will soon be upon us, unless the power of the present political dynasty shall be met and overthrown.

 

 

 

We shall lie down pleasantly dreaming that the people of Missouri are on the verge of making their State free, and we shall awake to the reality instead, that the Supreme Court has made Illinois a slave State.

 

 

 

To meet and overthrow the power of that dynasty is the work now before all those who would prevent that consummation.

 

 

 

This is what we have to do. How can we best do it ?

 

 

 

There are those who denounce us openly to their own friends and yet whisper us softly, that Senator Douglas is the aptest instrument there is with which to effect that object. They wish us to infer all, from the facts, that he now has a little quarrel with the present head of the dynasty; and that he has regularly voted with us on a single point, upon which he and we have never differed.

 

 

 

They remind us that he is a great man, and that the largest of us are very small ones. Let this be granted. But "a living dog is better than a dead lion." Judge Douglas, if not a dead lion, for this work, is at least a caged and tooth. less one. How can he oppose the advances of slavery? He does not care anything about it. His avowed mission is impressing the "public heart" to care nothing about it.

 

 

 

A leading Douglas Democratic newspaper thinks Douglas's superior talent will be needed to resist the revival of the African slave trade.

 

 

 

Does Douglas believe an effort to revive that trade is approaching ? He has not said so. Does he really think so? But if it is, how can he resist it? For years he has labored to prove it a sacred right of white men to take negro slaves into the new Territories. Can he possibly show that it is less a sacred right to buy them where they can be bought cheapest? And unquestionably they can be bought cheaper in Africa than in Virginia.

 

 

 

He has done all in his power to reduce the whole question of slavery to one of a mere right of property; and as such, how can he oppose the foreign slave trade-how can he refuse that trade in that "property" shall be "perfectly free" - unless he does it as a protection to the home production? And as the home producers will probably not ask the protection, he will be wholly without a ground of opposition.

 

 

 

Senator Douglas holds, we know, that a man may rightfully be wiser today than he was yesterday - that he may rightfully change when he finds himself wrong.

 

 

 

But can we, for that reason, run ahead, and infer that he will make any particular change, of which he, himself, has given no intimation? Can we safely base our action upon any such vague inference?

 

 

 

Now, as ever, I wish not to misrepresent Judge Douglas's position, question his motives, or do aught that can be personally offensive to him.

 

 

 

Whenever, if ever, he and we can come together on principle so that our cause may have assistance from his great ability, I hope to have interposed no adventitious obstacle.

 

 

 

But clearly, he is not now with us - he does not pretend to be - he does not promise ever to be.

 

 

 

Our cause, then, must be intrusted to, and conducted by, its own undoubted friends - those whose hands are free, whose hearts are in the work - who do care for the result.

 

 

 

Two years ago the of the nation mustered over thirteen hundred thousand strong.

 

 

 

We did this under the single impulse of resistance to a common danger, with every external circumstance against us.

 

 

 

Of strange, discordant, and even hostile elements, we gathered from the four winds, and formed and fought the battle through, under the constant hot fire of a disciplined, proud, and pampered enemy.

 

 

 

Did we brave all them to falter now? - now - when that same enemy is wavering, dissevered, and belligerent?

 

 

 

The result is not doubtful. We shall not fail - if we stand firm, we shall not fail. Wise counsels may accelerate, or mistakes delay it, but, sooner or later, the victory is sure to come.

 

 

 

Abraham Lincoln

 

Springfield, Illinois, June 16, 1858

[cpm9ball]

just remember civil war gold are coins dated

 

1861

1862

1863

1864

1865

 

done deal

 

I realize that, Michael, but the ship may never have left port to sink in the hurricane if it hadn't been for the pressing needs of the South, particularly New Orleans, at the end of the Civil War.

 

Chris

[cpm9ball]

http://www.thelastfullmeasure.com/lincoln_image4.htm

 

Great pictures, Michael!

 

Chris

[cpm9ball]

one of the ultimate usa federal coinage

 

is civil war gold 1861-1865 anything else is well [#@$%!!!] and marketing

 

these historical coins are not only undervalued and underapprecaited but extremely historical and downright rare

 

to have a cool piece weather it is circ or mintstate or the ultimate in proof

 

they went thruogh the civil war and man could they tell tales if they could talk

 

the ultimate collectible at least have one in your collection before they totally disappear due to unprescented demand in the up and coming future

 

Michael, by no stretch of the imagination am I urging anyone to rush out and buy the coins before they are all gone. On the contrary, I consider this marketing program to be no different than QVC, HSN or SaH. I am merely stating that the historical information documented by the DVD is quite interesting.

 

I suppose if I were to win a $300,000,000 lottery like Whittaker did in W Va, I'd probably buy some, but not for their numismatic value. To be honest, I'd rather buy the ship's bell, "USS Tennessee", and find an appropriate museum where it could be displayed for all to enjoy.

 

Chris

[michael]

you are off to a fantastic start chris

 

i am glad you liked the historical video just make sure you do not buy any of the coins i am always worried with new collectors as i have seen many many even today and many last year get really taken with all this cable tv shopping newwork and also this sinking of this ship

 

you could as a suggestion start your own civil war set with half dollars down to indian heads cents

 

1861-1865

 

the true period of the civil war and be able to get coins that participated in this event by circulating as such then get get caught up in the ship of fools hype where it is only to mesmeroize you into buying overpriced coins for the benefit of a few and when many wake up so to speak there will be many upset people and most will leVE COINS A FOR good whichis okie for the few that hugely profited but not good for the collecting community at large

[cpm9ball]

Thanks, Michael!

 

I'm not exactly what you would call a neophyte to collecting, though. In the 50's and early 60's I had a substantial collection of Morgans, Peace, IHC's, V nicks, Buffs, Winged Libs, SLQ's, Walkers and Frankies. As a kid, I made a lot of money playing pool and I bought coins with the proceeds. I'm not talking about $10 here or $20 there. I was winning $100, usually more, a day. Unfortunately, pool took up almost all of my spare time, so I sold my collection for the fantastic price of $4000. And, I have kicked myself every day since!

 

In the 90's, when I renewed my interest, I realized that I would not be able to afford to replace the coins that I, stupidly, relinquished 30 years before. So, I'm happy collecting the "moderns" and acquiring an older type here or there. Maybe my great grandchildren will have more appreciation for them than I did when I was young.

 

I've gathered from your other posts in this thread that you must have quite a collection of Lincoln and/or Civil War memorabilia. So, I'll have to tell you that Stonewall Jackson is my great, great grandfather. That's okay, I don't hold it against Abe. I'm glad the Union won the Civil War. Who knows! If it hadn't, maybe WWII would have ended differently.

 

Best wishes,

 

Chris

[michael]

wow chris your a relative of stonewall jackson!!

 

it is a small world

 

and you are a really advanced collector too

 

myself i thought and i was totally wrong as i made an assumption that you where like a young man in his late teens

 

i did not think this in a bad way just i thought you where really smart and a young scholar and with much sincerity and honesty

 

and now i know that you are older and well seasoned with knowledge integrity and fair play

 

welcome to the boards

[michael]

also you are a really good sport taking everything with good intentions

 

i hope you stay on these boards and post lots of threads

[michael]

unfortunately i do not have any collecgtion of civil war items or lincoln memorbilia

 

i had many chances in years past but i did not take advantage of the opportunities

 

now it is impossible and cost probhitive

 

but i am really interested in this era but now it is just research

 

and with the internet an extremely useful tool

 

better than if i had unlimited access to many research libraries all over the country!

 

 

i did go to notre dame university 6 summers ago to do some research at the school as they have an excellent coin collection there with many hard copy printed materials to study too the summer was incredibly super hot into the high 90's everyday

[cpm9ball]

i did go to notre dame university 6 summers ago to do some research at the school as they have an excellent coin collection there with many hard copy printed materials to study too the summer was incredibly super hot into the high 90's everyday

 

Notre Dame is a beautiful campus, isn't it! Here's a funny story about one of my experiences at ND:

 

From 1987-1993, I was dating a woman who was from South Bend. Together, we made numerous trips from Southwest Florida to visit her family there. Her father was a good friend of a former Athletic Director (Krause?) at ND. He was getting too old to be able to attend all of the football games, and he asked me if I would like tickets to the 1992 FSU/ND game.

 

That was the year that FSU was ranked #1 and ND was #2. It was a beautiful, mid-November day that was unusually warm (I actually got a little sunburn) and all of the bowl games were only a few weeks away. This game was huge! Of course, I accepted the offer since it was only a 19-hour drive.

 

Game day comes around and we hit a few tailgate parties between "The Locker Room" (a bar just off campus) and the stadium. If you haven't guessed, I was wearing an FSU hat and shirt. I took a certain amount of ribbing on the way to the stadium, but since I knew I was out-numbered, I let it slide without too many retorts.

 

It turns out that the seats are on the 50-yard line, 17th row, right in the middle of the ND Alumni section. It was hilarious .....when they were cheering , I was booing. When they were booing , I was cheering. I have to tell you that I do have a very loud voice. (I was known as the PA system at some of the bars where I've worked.) I figured that I would be able to get away with it since the game was being covered on national TV.

 

It wasn't until I returned home that some of my friends who had watched the game on TV told me what happened. Apparently, one of the sidelines cameras was panning the ND Alumni section and they spootted me in my FSU attire. One of the commentators exclaimed, "Look at this guy! Is he crazy? He's in the middle of the ND Alumni rooting for FSU!"

 

Oh, well! FSU lost the game and ND went on to be crowned National Champs, but it was a lot of fun!!!!!

 

Chris

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unfortunately i do not have any collecgtion of civil war items or lincoln memorbilia

 

i had many chances in years past but i did not take advantage of the opportunities

 

now it is impossible and cost probhitive

 

but i am really interested in this era but now it is just research

 

Michael, did part of your research involve Military History ? Did the era include the Plains Indian Wars of the 1870's ?

 

The reason I ask is because we have an officer's cavalry sabre of one, F. Horster, Jr. (inscribed below the hilt). It was given to my father in the 1950's by Horster's son who was in his 80's and had no other family. The son told my Dad that his father was a Second Lieutenant in Custer's 7th Cavalry. My great-grandfather, Isaiah Hickman Lame, was a First Lieutenant in the 7th Cavalry. Neither of them were at "Little Big Horn". I've tried to research this without success. I've come to the conclusion that military record-keeping wasn't all that accurate in those days.

 

Do you have any suggestions that may help me?

 

Thanks,

 

Chris

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Hilarious story about the FSU/ND game, Chris. Would love to have seen that, or better been with you at the event!

 

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