Help with Massachusetts early one cent coin please

[dooly]

Hi all just been offered these 2 coins and would like some advice on Grade Value and if they are real or not .. the first one was cleaned buy the owner "To confurn they were made of copper" !! sometimes i shudder

 

 

Not sure if it is a no stop type or not as it is in the wrong place but i know there are a lot of hand made dies for these

 

Second coin .. first two pictures were what i was sent .. Yuck but the next two dont look to bad

 

 

what do you think

[MarkFeld]

If you don't know them well, I would steer clear. I do not deal in them, but the 1st and 3rd one look to be the wrong color (cleaned) and the 2'd one looks to have some environmental damage.

[dooly]

cheers mark No and i cannot get them in my hand before purchase .. always fancied one for the collection but as you say not looking to goog

[MarkFeld]

cheers mark No and i cannot get them in my hand before purchase .. always fancied one for the collection but as you say not looking to goog

 

Then wait until you find a certified example that you like.

[BillJones]

I do not think that these pieces are genuine Massachusetts cents. The word "CENT" appears on the top of the shield on the genuine coins. These pieces have stars in that spot instead. Also the die work, especially the lettering, looks amateurish and all wrong. This was the first thing I saw. There are a number of Mass. Cent copies around, and these are among the least convincing. The Mass. Cents were among the best made American coins from the pre-federal period.

 

I urge you to pass.

[dooly]

Thanks that is why i did not jump in the lettering had no shape but they sent me a link to a coin for sale which made me wonder

 

http://www.liveauctioneers.com/item/6943097

[Conder101]

Those are both fake, no question.

[dooly]

what about the one up for auction ?

 

[AnkurJ]

First thought when I looked at them were these are fake. You can find them slabbed on the market, but they are not cheap. A nice XF will cost close to $800.

[BillJones]

Here is an okay example I have owned for many years. My grade is VF-30, but NGC thought more of it.