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PNG Adopts Coin Doctoring Definition

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Hot off the press, "Coin Update, Daily Coin Collecting News":

 

 

PNG Definition

 

 

Members of the Professional Numismatists Guild attending the organization's general membership meeting on April 17, 2012 overwhelmingly approved a three-point definition of so-called "coin doctoring."

 

"This is a complex issue, but we needed to have a concise definition to help combat the deliberative and unacceptable alteration of coins in an effort to deceive. More than 50 PNG member-dealers attended the meeting, and only one voted against the definition," said PNG President Jeffrey Bernberg.

 

"We've been working on this for over two years with Numismatic Guaranty Corporation and Professional Coin Grading Service as well as a committee of dealers and collectors to formulate an industry-acceptable definition," said PNG Executive Director Robert Brueggeman. "I told our members at the meeting that the numismatic world is watching us. We need to take a vote. We need to make a decision now on adopting a definition."

 

Here is the wording of the definition as approved by the PNG Board of Directors and PNG member-dealers attending the meeting in the Chicago suburb of Schaumburg, Illinois on the eve of the Central States Numismatic Society convention.

 

Coin doctoring refers to the alteration of any portion of a coin, when that process includes any of the following:

 

1) Movement, addition to, or otherwise altering of metal, so that a coin appears to be in a better state of preservation, or more valuable than it otherwise would be. A few examples are plugging, whizzing, polishing, engraving, “lasering” and adding or removing mint marks.

 

2) Addition of any substance to a coin so that it appears to be in a better state of preservation or more valuable than it otherwise would be. The use of solvents and/or commercially available dilute acids, such as Jeweluster, by qualified professionals is not considered coin doctoring.

 

3) Intentional exposure of a coin to any chemicals, substances, or processes which impart toning, such that the coin appears to be in a better state of preservation or more valuable than it otherwise would be. Naturally occurring toning imparted during long-term storage using established/traditional methods, such as coin albums, rolls, flips, or envelopes, does not constitute coin doctoring.

 

In July 2010, the PNG Board of Directors in partnership with NGC and PCGS adopted a definition of coin doctoring. However, it subsequently was rejected by PNG members in January 2011.

 

"The PNG By-Laws provide the general membership with the opportunity to override decisions made by the Board. In this particular case, the membership voted overwhelmingly in early 2011 to keep the previous PNG Code of Ethics definition in place and not adopt a more-substantive new wording specifically about coin doctoring until the issue could be more clearly defined," said Brueggeman.

"We then formed a committee headed by John Albanese and composed of PNG members and non-members, dealers and collectors, to research and draft an industry-acceptable definition of coin doctoring. It frankly took longer than some of us expected or wanted to get something substantive finally approved, but the overwhelmingly vote now by PNG members to support a specific coin doctoring definition is an important, major step for the hobby and the profession. It needed to be done."

 

Founded in 1955, the PNG is a nonprofit organization composed of the country's top rare coin and paper money dealers who must adhere to a strict Code of Ethics in the buying and selling of numismatic merchandise. For additional information, contact the PNG at (951) 587- 8300 or visit online at www.PNGdealers.com

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You have to get up pretty early to beat Leeg!

A big thanks to all those who worked so hard to develop the definition and to the PNG members for accepting it.

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The word 'overwhelming' does not mean unanimous. I wonder if some members voted against it. I also wonder, as Ankur noted, what this voting result really means. I do not, due to past experience, automatically associate PNG members with high ethical standards (PNG bylaws notwithstanding). In my experience, they are no better nor any worse than other dealers.

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I like that they used the clause...

 

"such that the coin appears to be in a better state of preservation or more valuable than it otherwise would be"

 

in all of the definitions. The intent to deceive and do so to profit from the deception is a significant part of the coin doctoring argument, IMO. Coloring a low value ASE, like someone displayed in another thread, for personal enjoyment should not get out the torch and pitchforks crowd, IMO.

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I like that they used the clause...

 

"such that the coin appears to be in a better state of preservation or more valuable than it otherwise would be"

 

in all of the definitions. The intent to deceive and do so to profit from the deception is a significant part of the coin doctoring argument, IMO. Coloring a low value ASE, like someone displayed in another thread, for personal enjoyment should not get out the torch and pitchforks crowd, IMO.

 

I like that, too - thank you. ;)

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I wonder if some members voted against it.

It says that there was one no vote.

 

The second part covers dipping, and they say it is not coin doctoring when done by qualified professionals. OK NCS is protected. But if YOU do it you are not a "qualified professional" so YOU are a coin doctor.

 

I wonder, since this is the "Professional Numismatists" Guild, does that mean THEY are all "qualified professionals" as per the definition?

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I'm glad that the PNG voted to adopt this definition, and I think it is long overdue. It will be interesting to see if the PNG actually enforces this definition or whether it has even contemplated an enforcement mechanism.

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It will be interesting to see if the PNG actually enforces this definition or whether it has even contemplated an enforcement mechanism.

 

That's the rub! Without an active enforcement mechanism, the policy is academic. Still, it's good they are at least making an attempt.

 

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Thanks, Conder101---I missed that (I was a bit groggy when I read that release).

I also agree that enforcement will be the key.

 

Laura Sperber, in a recent post on the Legend website, stated: "I know I have a few coins I am looking forward to filing complaints on." Things are heating up.

 

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2) Addition of any substance to a coin so that it appears to be in a better state of preservation or more valuable than it otherwise would be. The use of solvents and/or commercially available dilute acids, such as Jeweluster, by qualified professionals is not considered coin doctoring.

Would an authorized NGC or PCGS Dealer be considered a "qualified professional?"

 

MS 70, Blue Ribbon and Deller's Darkener fall in this category also right?

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