Soy Jo!

I would like to order a new set of coins from the Brazil category.

• PEDRO II, SILVER 1,000 REIS, 1849-1889, CIRCULATION ISSUE  
• PEDRO II, SILVER 200 REIS, 1849-1889, CIRCULATION ISSUE 
• PEDRO II, SILVER 2,000 REIS, 1849-1889, CIRCULATION ISSUE 
• PEDRO II, nikel,  200 REIS, 1871-1889, CIRCULATION ISSUE 
• PEDRO II, nikel,  100 REIS, 1871-1889, CIRCULATION ISSUE 
• PEDRO II, nikel,  50 REIS, 1871-1889, CIRCULATION ISSUE 
• PEDRO II, bronze,  40 REIS, 1873-1889, CIRCULATION ISSUE 
• PEDRO II, bronze,  20 REIS, 1868-1870, CIRCULATION ISSUE 
• PEDRO II, bronze,  10 REIS, 1868-1870, CIRCULATION ISSUE
• Republic, silver, 1,000 reis, 1889-1889, circulation issue 
• Republic, silver, 500 reis, 1889-1889, circulation issue 
• Republic, nikel, 200 reis, 1889-1900, circulation issue 
• Republic, nikel, 100 reis, 1889-1900, circulation issue 
• Republic, bronze, 40 reis, 1889-1912, circulation issue 
• Republic, bronze, 20 reis, 1889-1912, circulation issue 
• republic, nikel, 400 Réis, 1901- 1901, circulation issue - 1901
• republic, nikel, 200 Réis, 1901- 1901, circulation issue - 1901
• republic, nikel, 100 Réis, 1901- 1901, circulation issue - 1901
• D.Pedro l - copper, 80 réis, 1824 - 1831, circulation issue 
• D.Pedro l - copper, 40 réis, 1824 - 1831, circulation issue 
• D.Pedro l - copper, 20 réis, 1824 - 1830, circulation issue 
• D.Pedro l - copper, 10 réis, 1824 - 1828, circulation issue 

Currently I don't work with pcgs, but some ngc coins will break the slab and I'll send it to pcgs, coming back, I'll show you if I was successful or not.

coin rating when the state of conservation is very subjective, my analysis may not be the same as yours.  but I use some shapes, first field of the coin, if it doesn't have scratches, shine, among other things.  of 1200 coins practically.  I had about 20 coins as details (those I practically sent to get an opinion) and about 30 coins between XF to Au58, all other mint states ranging from Ms61 to Ms67.  Particularly I liked all the classifications in terms of state of conservation.  one or another coin that would be a point more or a point less.

What's the point of us collectors in general, each one, in their specific collection, studying the coins for years and a company later comes to say that they will put it or not?  they should update themselves as much as we do.

NGC, PCGS and many other certifiers in general, due to the high investment they have, should be concerned with almost everything within their reach.  If you pay 18 reais for a variant that the classifier doesn't even mention because it didn't put it.  He has total autonomy to put what he wants, maybe he doesn't understand, even though he has many books on his bedside to research and if he wants to research.  today in particular, I use much more NGC than PCGS for world currencies, it is no wonder that I have certified more than 1200 Brazilian currencies in less than 1 year.  I use it for greater acceptance in the Brazilian market, because the PCGS does not have such a good acceptance.  But today I consider PCGS much more advanced in all respects.  When the market understands that PCGS is just as good, I will be happy to trade.  Again, if you're satisfied with their service, congratulations to you, I'm not, and I think they can improve.

It's my opinion and you have yours.  I respect yours and you don't want to respect mine, that's fine with me, but it won't be because of your opinion that I'm going to change.  Please understand that there are several derisory variants, my whole question is about unplaced variants that exceed 1000 dollars.  they prefer to put variants that in the end are nothing more than a marked error, nor do they know for sure how to differentiate mint error from variety.  And when I say that I don't care about the 20 Francs variants, it's me as a collector, but NGC, PCGS and so many other certifiers should certainly care about all the variants, because they get paid very well to do this type of service, but if you're satisfied with the service they provide, that's your problem, I'm dissatisfied and that's it.

I don't care about 20 francs varieties.

what I'm looking for is consensus, NGC has in its collection the “Brazilian coin book” if I pay for “plus variety” and put the coin number and variety on the invoice, just open the book and assign it.  It's great.

good evening Dw Lange, I wouldn't even need to create a database for the Brazilian variants of the NGC, the only thing I wanted was a consensus from the NGC whenever asked to insert a variety that is in the book, they have the book on their shelf, why not put?  I was told that even if I pay for “more variety” the classifier can put it in or not, it depends on his taste.  how can the classifier define something whether or not it is to his personal taste?  If I pay for a service, it's because I want it.

https://www.ngccoin.com/certlookup/2876519-005/55/

https://www.ngccoin.com/certlookup/6323665-006/63/

their lack of attention is blatant, how to confuse that?

It is my right to express something here, which cannot be resolved via contact.  if you are bothered there is nothing i can do unless you are an NGC employee.

the content of the book, for Brazilian coins, is the most modern, with images of the coins in high resolution and their respective variants.

"The Cherrypickers' Guide to Rare Die Varieties" Isn't this book a reference to US coins?  Is everything in it true or false?

A book that has been around since the 1950, doesn't need anything more documented.

good morning how are you?  I have been sending coins from Brazil to be placed “variety plus”, some are placed, others are not, by the emails I received from the NGC attendants, this happens due to the desire of the NGC classifier to want to place it or not.  In the last answer I was told to consult the online file of the “variety plus” Brazil section, if it is listed, it will be placed in the slab, if it is not there, it will not be placed in the slab.  Well, you don't have all the Brazilian variants in your online collection, but your search source is the “Livro de coins brasileira (Rodrigo Maldonado), I always cite this book through “Variey Plus” and pay for it, but your classifiers seem being lazy people who don't bother to open the book and research.  I would like to suggest that you standardize this, put which Brazil specific catalog would be used to put the “Variety plus”, as with US coins, where you define default catalogs to search.

Please don't come up with a standard answer, I want a solution.  I'm tired of neglect.

The point is that they have the specific catalog for Brazil in the collection, but they only use it if the classifier is not lazy.

Please pass this on to your superior, I've lost patience with the way you treat the ''Variety plus'' of Brazilian coins.
All coins I've sent recently, I've always mentioned the ''Maldonado'' catalog on Variety plus, understand that it's this catalog you use for the same, as you have previous quotes on your website. Now that the headache starts, I was previously replied by email, that the appropriate variants would not be placed because the classifier felt it was not worthy or because it is not in their online Variety plus file.
This is totally pathetic, as the online archive does not list the entire ''plus variety'' of Brazilian coins. Worse still, if you have the ''Maldonado'' catalog in your research collection, why aren't the coins I order properly rated? What is the catalog for? To list what you like best? Or does the catalog have to be used for what it was made for? Now if you think I should use Krause for variety plus let me know or Gomes or the catalog you prefer for Brazilian coins and your Variety plus. I am deeply bothered by this and I want a resolution to the problem.