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There is a qualifier for the grade or it would not be given . It has been awarded , therefore the qualifiers have been met .

The grade has been awarded by 3rd party graders . We can all see that the grading companies are different . Each has its very own unique , and sometimes similar, ways of grading and awarding grades. There are many grading companies . The grades in MS an PF of 60-70, awarded by these such grading companies, are based upon what they consider the standard or qualifier is. Nothing more ....the grading companies , and I have said this before in other posts, are not Omniscient 'Gods' who appoint absolutes . We see this in even their grading of all scales within the 60-70 point range. As I said before , the basis of all grading is born upon what is seen by the naked eye , and therefore , microscopic insignificants should not even be considered.

We call a model with 'perfect skin' , not based upon examining her under an electron microscope.

Oh , I could go on an on about endless comparisons, but the point is simply that a coin can be made to the standard of a grade of 70. There is not need to get philosophical and debate absoluteness and there can never be perfection....it is not the correct application of the form . As some may say....a 70 is the pinnacle, acme, uber, etc....it has to be or it does not exist .It is and is used. That is it in a nutshell , relax the collars and stop making it more than it is . It is merely a score within an index . We could probably break every grade into micro grades within every range and still have room to break them down further...and at the very end of the grade , we have the 70...and there are probably many coins graded 70 that can fit into many many micro 70 grades , but they all fall into that ( 70 ) category ...they are all better than 69 .

You guys are beating a very dead horse if you think it will ever go away.

Appears to be a 'live with the way you look at it, and I'll live the way I look at it' situation .

The various mints around the globe are putting out coins in 70 condition .

If the TPGs award a coin a 70 grade , I revell in their educated opinion .

I hear that NNC had a lot of coins label 70 , ...but the market of knowledgeable buyers Know how to consider those....so the real question in my mind is :

Are we saying that BOTH NGC and PCGS have no idea of how to grade 70's?

Apparently they do and are doing so. To combat them and say they can not use the grade is , well , kinda sour apples .

If 70 equals perfection .....and a test score of 100 is perfection for that particular test....we should never award a grade of 100 for a test because a student can not possibly do anything that warrants perfection .

From now until eternity , there will not be a test graded to the score of 100 , regardless if all the correct answers are given . All perfect answered tests will be awarded the grade of 99. A perfect score for an SAT exam will now be 1599...or whatever is one less than the top score . There will no longer be a perfect '10' model...all models will be referred to as a perfect '9' because we do not use the top number in our grading scale.

Sounds like apples and oranges , but then that is another opinion.

Why have a grade ......only to not use that grade? Why not grade MS60-70 , then have MS-Ultimate100...the top score that never gets used as the score to represent absolute-ness ?

Very nice 2 cent copper ! I guess you have noticed that the prices on these are starting to go up an up , along with just about any early copper and even the proof large cents are trending skyward .

Way to go nice addition, and I'll bet you're glad you got it now , it'll probably be on up there if the market continues its drive.

Not gonna even try a series , but I am surprised about nobody listing the 1914/3 Indian head (buffalo) nickel ...it is a little expensive , but compared to the more well known 1918/17..well?

heck with it , for a series , I'd say the Roosevelt dimes have almost been frozen in price , except maybe the silver issues due to the bullion market prices . I must also add , I feel as a series , the modern dimes have not really gotten much attention from a collectors standpoint and maybe less from investor's interest . Individually there is just not that much silver in the pre-1964's and what was not melted in the early 1980's is probably still being traded by the bagfull as part of 90% coinage silver . Complete sets can still be had in BU for small money versus complete sets of BU Barbers or Libertys , which are not in circulation .

The Roosevelts have been around since 1946 , so 62 years and still going as a series without any major Obverse/Reverse design changes (besides the mintmark locations and die work) .

Overlooked , maybe , undervalued...hard to speculate on what collectors will consider worth collecting , yet it has longevity , few rarities mintage-wise , and long considered very available , yet the early silver circulation issues have been heading to the smelters for a while.....

If the mint was ordered by federal law to change the well-known dime to something else ....who knows , maybe there would be some potential there? Sure are easy to get now .....think the supply side will keep the prices in check forever?

I'm not really good at forecasting the future , which is why I'm picking a series with some of the right things going for it , but probably all the wrong things that would make it a decent candidate for future price increases....I just kinda like the under-dog .

10 years ago I would have said the IHC when everyone said they were easily available (except for the keys ), look at them now....thank the maker I put my set together then and had so many hoarded .

Over valued ? modern commems in MS/PF 70

Woody , Go to the NGC census page for MS Jefferson Nickels and on page 4 (last page), after the regular issue dates , you will find the 1965-67 SMS graded Nickels and the last entry will be the 1967 SMS 67 - 6FS nickel . There is only one so far in an NGC holder according to NGC's Census data though .

I thought that NGC did , but there has not been any that qualified for the FS from the '65,'66',67 SMSets submitted yet.....I know I have gone through a mountain of SMSets at about every coin show I've hit and bought quite a large pile of them , yet none have , so far , 'stepped-up' to FS . I have gotten close with a few , but minor handling/bag marks/dings have stopped them.

Please don't tell me they do not exist , as I am aware of at least one in the NGC CENSUS listed as 1967 SMS 5C 6FS .

It would ruin a lot of fun searching for one myself.

Ken Potter sells brass pennies on his web site( go to CONECA web site and get links or use the one below) and in ads in either coin world or numismatic news . It is just a case of where the mixture of copper and other metals did not mix properly and ya end up with a mostly brass planchete. Nothing rare or major , price-wise , mostly an oddity .

....just be sure it is not a case where someone took an old '73 cent and wiped it down with Brasso cleaner ....way too much ammonia in that stuff.

Direct linky to Koin pro site :

http://koinpro.tripod.com/ErrorVarietyList.htm

Check out the 1983 brass cent , could not find one listed for 1973 , but that does not mean you can't find one , only that he does not have one listed for sale right now.

Thanks again , I've just been trying to wait until had I had something worthwhile to pic , before trying to figure it out ans should learned a long time ago.

I'l be trying a few things on the test forum , Thanks for the simplified summary of TomB's post.

BTW , That attachment is for you (I'm off ! to figure it all out !)

Got an 1858-O Seated Half from Mr Clark outta Pensacola ,FL at the Vicksburg,MS coin club show , but it has a little greenish PVC goo and I need to do a before and after before posting shots , which means that I will actually hafta finally try to figure out how to post pics . I stopped by the Battlefield INN in Vicksburg where the show was while on my way to Dallas Sunday. Me an the partner got in a little late so I'll be reading how-to posts on pics later today.

I would read what is posted . I have been collecting for 30 plus years , but am not an expert in any one category....I'm a jack-of-all-trades kind of hoard the lil buggers type of can't use a digital camera -ish of a new to slabs and like both slabbed and raw coins of a constantly searching , but never asking for any particular coin kinda guy . Sounds interesting ,,,,hmmm information over whining ....yeup! Sounds good to me !.