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I requested a new set: US Modern Bullion Varieties to be based on all the coins listed as varieties in the NGC data base for US Bullion coins.

You requested NGC certification numbers for this set.  The source of this set is found on the NGC website through the following menu selections:

Resources--Varieties Plus--United States--American Eagle & Bullion Coins (13 Varieties)

The certification numbers for my coins in the associated "slots" is as follows:

Silver Eagles (1986-Date)           13521481-002

Gold Eagles $5 (1986-Date) 5     2568657-011

Gold Eagles $10 (1986-Date) 1   2473892-010

Platinum Eagles $25 (19976-Date) 1

Platinum Eagles $50 (19976-Date) 1 3470679-001

Platinum Eagles $100 (19976-Date) 1 3265741-001

America the Beautiful 5 Ounce Coins 3  2576980-001, 3968962-004

Of the 13 coins I only own 7.  Of the 13 coins two are not listed in any other NGC competitive set to my knowledge.

Based on my review of what is a variety I believe the 2014 5 oz Silver ATB The Great Smoky Mountains missing the "P" mintmark has been mislabeled as an error by NGC.  I could not locate this in the Census. Using the wrong die for a SP (specimen) finish is of course an error but does not follow the precedent for Proof Roosevelt dimes missing mint mark as well as the $5 and $10 Gold Coins with wrong mint marks listed as varieties in the above.  Please look at the link to NGC news announcement for your own (NGC) photo of the coin. (I do not own this coin)

I request a new set: US Modern Bullion Varieties to be based on all the coins listed as varieties in the NGC data base for US Bullion coins.

I request that the coin discovered in the NGC grading process (5 SP coins submitted by MCM) as announced in NGC news article 6603 on 5/15/2018 be added to the competitive sets for the US ATB 5 oz. sets.  This is the 2014 5 oz Silver ATB The Great Smoky Mountains missing the "P" mintmark.  Also, I am having difficulty with your definition of an Error versus a Variety.  I would appreciate an explanation for this specific coin versus the light finish varieties.

Thank You

I reviewed the earlier comments regarding this issue and now request that the senior management of NGC review this matter.  The decision on the inclusion of PCGS coins in competitive sets was changed.  If a mistake was made in the early years it can now be corrected.  The point I am trying to make is that the set is nearing completion and I want to be sure NGC will give this issue a reasonable review.  My coin collection has been a useful distraction during the Pandemic we all have to experience.  But, issues causing me distress from the US Mint along with NGC's irrational approach to some of the competitive sets will force me to examine my future in numismatics.

I am asking this topic be reviewed again by NGC staff.  Since NGC reversed the position on inclusion of PCGS  coins in competitive sets maybe now is the time to change the position to include all the "Light Finish" varieties.  The ATB 5 oz series is set for completion in early 2021 and NOW would be the time to correct this INCONSISTENT POSITION.  Another approach would be to add competitive sets that do not include the VARIETIES. But, of course a collector could ask for the addition sets that include ALL VARIETIES.  If this would occur there would be three groups of sets : 1.) NO Varietires, 2.) ONE variety and 3.) ALL varieties. (Which clearly demonstrates the lack of logic for the current setup.)

Also, the CENSUS database for the 5 oz ATB coins includes MS 70 coins.  I believe these are errors from the 25c quarters.  If I am in error please present show me photo of a graded MS 70 coin listed in the census.  If you cannot provide a photo PLEASE FIX these numbers.

I would like to reply to Ali E.'s comments for April 27, 2018  inserted in the response below:

We are constantly assessing set structure in the NGC Registry to ensure we offer a variety of collecting options. Our team has concluded that with three master sets, one for MS, one for Specimen, and one for Complete, and with the individual year sets for every year of mintage, the ATB coins are sufficiently represented in the NGC Registry at this point in time.

For the Light Finish coin decision that was made four years ago, this decision currently stands. The population numbers have changed very little since then. For the Grand Canyon LF coins, we have graded a few more with a pop 8 of 396 as 70's. For the Hot Springs LF, we have only pop 2 of 24 total as 70's. For the Yellowstone LF, we have a total pop of 5 coins graded, all graded MS68. Due to their rarity, the Hot Springs LF SP and Yellowstone LF SP coins are non-competitive in the NGC Registry. If our population numbers change greatly in the future, we can revisit this. (POPULATION numbers versus LOGIC???  This makes no sense to me.  Let's extend this to the Presidential $ set where only 3 coins have been graded as PF 70 for the Reverse Proof Johnson.  Following your teams ridiculous logic where only 3 coins are currently possible this listing should be eliminated from the set competition until more coins are discovered.  The reference to a TEAM decision adds little the rationale.   Maybe the bias to list only one issue of the LIGHT FINISH stems from Scott's listing of only Grand Canyon coin in his later editions of the books on the 100 Greatest US Modern Coins.  I think NGC should be embarrassed to have this issue addressed in the national coin publications.)

In reference to the Frosted Freedom coins, to exactly which NGC Registry set are you referring? Also, are you referring to 2007 Platinum $50 coins, not $25? If you wish, you may also reach us via email at registry@ngccoin.com. (These coins are listed in Scott's books : 3rd and 4th Editions.  I am referring to $25, $50, and $100 coins as listed as Varieties in the NGC database.  By not listing these coins you may be delaying the discovery of additional specimens.  Coin World does not list these in their pricing database while Numismatic News lists a value for only the $100 specimen at $47,000.  Will this result in future IRA 2007 Pt sets sold to dealers for Pt melt? )

I think the NGC needs to review their definitions and their approach to registry sets to create a real competition. 

(1)  There are competitive sets that state "with varieties" but only include different labels on the holders with no difference in the actual coin.  The varieties, as officially defined and listed by NGC are ignored.  As an example, the 2007 Frosted Freedom American Platinum $25, $50, and $100 Eagles are listed as VARIETIES.  The set competition that adds "with Varieties" includes two versions of the 2007 $25 issue (a reverse proof and regular proof were released together in a set).  There is no difference between the $25 regular coins in any of the 3 releases except for possible labels.

(2)  Regarding complaints about the ATB 5 oz SP sets including only a single issues LIGHT FINISH COIN (Grand Canyon) the NGC response is really absurd. Team decision?  As it stands now only 8 sets are available for TOP SET.  At one time other Light Finishes were available in the set.  THIS NEEDS CORRECTION.  I recommend that the LIGHT FINISH GRAND CANYON be removed from the basic set and new sets be added.  One set could include all the LIGHT FINISH VARIETIES.  Another set could include ONLY the Grand Canyon Light Finish (maybe call this set the NGC special BS set--illustrating how absurd it is to argue about arbitrary accessibilty in collecting).

I hope NGC will take the time and effort to properly address these issues.  I see all the effort to add foreign sets.  If the US collector is not to serviced I see further reductions in the collector ranks.

On 5/25/2016 at 9:28 AM, Ali E. said:

Hello, grunny/CG.

 

Thank you for your feedback and interest. The team decision that was made back in 2014 currently remains the same. We've included the Light Finish Grand Canyon for nearly six years, and there are enough examples certified by NGC to justify including it. For the Grand Canyon LF coins, we have graded 392 total, with 8 NGC graded as 70's.

 

Due to their rarity, the Hot Springs LF SP and Yellowstone LF SP coins are not included in the NGC Competitive Registry. The NGC pop. numbers for those have not changed. Those two Light Finish varieties have only a handful of examples as NGC-graded. The Hot Springs LF only has two out of 23 total NGC graded as 70's. The Yellowstone LF has only 5 total NGC graded with the highest grade of 68. We believe that it would not be fair to make them a requirement for every participant. Thank you.

 

 

This response is really absurd. Team decision?  As it stands now only 8 sets are available for TOP SET.  At one time other Light Finishes were available in the set.  THIS NEEDS CORRECTION.  I recommend that the LIGHT FINISH GRAND CANYON be removed from the basic set and new sets be added.  One set could include all the LIGHT FINISH VARIETIES.  Another set could include ONLY the Grand Canyon Light Finish (maybe call this set the NGC special BS set--illustrating how absurd it is to argue about arbitrary accessibilty in collecting).

I request a new set for the latest version of the 100 greatest U.S. Modern Coins 4th Edition.