Curious, Jealous, and Annoyed

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I think it's getting up to 2 years since I've added a coin / filled a hole in the 10G set and the set is still sitting at 72% with 3 slots open. But the low hanging fruit is all gone and all that's left are 3 coins that don't always show up. The last couple of years I’ve been adding other types of world gold coins to my collection and not finished this set largely just because I haven’t seen any attractive opportunities come up.

Mine is one of the oldest sets in that category. It was one of the first two sets ever made in the category and it may have been the first - I can't remember anymore. But this means I've gotten to see participation in it grow over the years to now include almost 25 sets - and I like to look at the others over time, looking when a new set pops up, looking to see if anyone else posts pictures that aren't just NGC images... and how my pictures stack up. 😅

So, I noticed when a new set popped up recently - newly listed last month - and it had 1 coin, which happened to be an MS64 1879/7 variety. Probably the hardest coin to get in the set, up there with the 1888 key-date in my set... and, darn, I'm more than a little jealous! I wonder if they got that graded themselves. If they bought it and I missed it coming on the market I'm going to be so annoyed! The coin has a 578XXXX- cert number so I’m thinking it was graded recently.

It's hard to find these things with US dealers. I thought about trying to buy the last 3 coins I needed raw from European dealers through MAshop last year. There usually seems to be at least a couple of 1885 and 1886 on there for sale. But buying 100-year-old gold RAW online and paying $30-35 shipping fees I can't get back if the coin is a dog / looks clean in person makes me... anxious.

Adding to my annoyance recently: A seller I have bought from with success before - a US-based dealer with lower shipping costs - listed random date Willem III 10G coins for sale at a bargain price. I reached out and... Nope! They wouldn't check dates for me. I didn't even want / hope for their discounted random date price. I would have happily paid a premium for an 1885 or an 1886. They wouldn't even look. :frustrated:... Punks... :frustrated: lol 

On an unrelated, but curious note (to me), while I still don't see NGC-graded Zimbabwean coins pop-up for sale often - probably because Xan and I own half of the small population between us - I DID see some PCGS graded 20 Cent coins pop up in auction recent with "Specimen" (SP) grades and an interesting pedigree on at least some of them. I wonder what the story is with these.

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In case you're wondering, the PCGS population of the Zimbabwean coins also is not huge - 64 coins, almost the same as NGC… Although if I have my way the NGC pop may be close to 100 by mid-2022. lol

They have graded 1 solitary MS cent, 12 of those Proof S$10 NCLTs and 51 of these "SP" graded coins. 31 of those are 20C coins from 1988-1991, 12 are 10Cs from 1988-1989. And the balance are 5Cs from 1990-1991... no 50Cs, no $1 coins, no SP graded cents... I wonder how many of those have this pedigree and what the story is there. Were they all from the same place? What's with the massive number of 20Cs? Why no 50Cs? Why no $1?

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Hi William!!

I can confirm one thing for you.....the 1888 you mentioned was definitely graded recently.  My last sales lot to NGC that I received back the other day had an invoice number that started with 579.  As for the Specimen Z coins....sounds like you have a bit of a mystery on your hands, my friend.  I'm sorry that dealer would not check dates for you on the 10Gs.  That sucks.  I ran into that a couple times back when I was more active with non-ancient coins than I am now.  Some dealers just don't want to expend the extra effort.  One question though: did you make sure to tell them that you weren't looking for the discount price on the dates you needed?  If you didn't, telling them that might make a difference.  Many sellers are much more willing to expend that extra effort if you're willing to forfeit the discount price for them to check dates for you.  It might be worth a try.

~Tom

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On 12/12/2021 at 9:55 PM, Mohawk said:

One question though: did you make sure to tell them that you weren't looking for the discount price on the dates you needed?  If you didn't, telling them that might make a difference.  Many sellers are much more willing to expend that extra effort if you're willing to forfeit the discount price for them to check dates for you.  It might be worth a try.

~Tom

I don't know that it was clear to them at first. I had thought it went without saying that if I wasn't wanting random date I wasn't expecting a random date price but I think I sent back another message say, "If you do find one, let me know." The problem I think with these is they're mostly treated like Bullion, and for an 1875 or 1876 I think that's fine but an 1885-1888 is a massive pain to find amongst all the 1875s.

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I see this pedigree fairly often and KN was a mint that produced coinage for the RM on contract, I believe they were eventually bought out by the Birmingham Mint, those coins would have been specimens produced at the mint and kept as examples. I'm not sure if KN/BM ended up producing the Z-coins or if the RM did in the end, but one of those would be a very cool piece for your collection. 

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On 12/13/2021 at 5:23 AM, Fenntucky Mike said:

. I'm not sure if KN/BM ended up producing the Z-coins or if the RM did in the end, but one of those would be a very cool piece for your collection. 

Didn't bid but I'll keep that in mind if more pop up in the future. 🤔

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