ANOTHER WEIRD ERROR COIN. HOW DOES IT GRADE?

[CONSERVATIVE]

 

 

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3029790422&category=524&rd=1

 

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[braddick]

That's pretty cool how your eBay handle is Kingcoin99 and you have 98 feedbacks! What happens when you get one more? A) Change your name to Kingcoin100!

[PQSeated]

It's a very interesting piece. As for grading on error coins............. well really I think that grading on error coins is irrelevant. Generic grading, such as unc. or circulated, seems to suffice.

[CONSERVATIVE]

I don't know Pat. I am glad 99 didn't come yesterday on Friday the 13th.

 

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[michael]

a broadstruck and partial brockage cent

 

you got a

great!! coin at an even greater price!!

 

for me i grade it very choice uncirculated red with the caviat that i have to see the coin in person sight seen to confirm the grade and description of the coin

 

sincerely michael

[braddick]

Find the mate to that Lincoln and you've REALLY scored. It's gotta be out there somewhere...

 

(I'll check my seat cushions. You check yours.)

[chrisfuccione]

Nice coin. CHRIS

[GDJMSP]

Can somebody explain to me how the letters in CENT became so large ?

 

Place a coin with CENT right over another with Lincoln's head showing just above - the letters appear to be about 3 times as large as normal in the pic.

[CONSERVATIVE]

GDJMSP,

I think this type of error occurs when the coin above it is also out of the collar, and then it is struck. Since it is not confined in the collar the metal flows out in all directions thus the reverse image is greatly expanded. I have seen a few others on ebay, but the designs are different since it is very rare for the same areas of other coins to end up in the same place.

 

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[GDJMSP]

Sorry - but no matter how much the metal flows - the size of the letters would not be increased - only the outer diameter of the coin.

[CONSERVATIVE]

Perhaps, it hit many other coins before this one was hit? I am pretty sure it is a Broadstruck coin first then a Partial Brockage.

 

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[Dog97]

"Since it is not confined in the collar the metal flows out in all directions thus the reverse image is greatly expanded"

That is correct.

"I am pretty sure it is a Broadstruck coin first then a Partial Brockage."

That is incorrect.

What you have is an off-centered broadstrike.

How it happened was that your coin was a blank lying off center in the striking chamber and was on it way to being merely a common off-centered cent.

However an already struck cent hadn't fully ejected from the press and came to rest on top of your blank planchet.

The dies smashed together striking your coin & @ the same time transfering the image of the stray cent onto your coin.

As the metal from your unrestrained planchet & the offending cent flowed outward the brockaged design moved with it since it was already struck and not limited by the die recesses of the design elements like your cent was.

In other words the design doesn't spread on a broadstrike but it does on a brockage.

The coin lying on top of yours would be a double strike and looks like the one I attached to this post.

As far as grade, grade it like any other coin.

[CONSERVATIVE]

Dog,

You are correct the about the brockage portion of the coin spreading out. That is what I was trying to convey. I think a blank planchet landed on your indented coin. While a cent reverse landed on mine. Thanks for the information you have provided me. It is still a learning experiance for me. Always remember a mans best friend is Dog.

How you been Dog??

 

 

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[Dog97]

I been OK thanks for asking.

When you say

I think a blank planchet landed on your indented coin.

You're close but have the events reversed. My coin was the stray coin bounching around in the press that landed on a blank sitting ready in the striking chamber. Had my coin been sitting ready in the striking chamber and a blank landed on my coin it would simply have an indent and not a second strike on the obv. My coin is what created your coin. Well, not really MY coin but you get the idea.

You say

While a cent reverse landed on mine.

Correct. My cent reverse. Picture it turned a tad so the bottom & "CENT" hits your coin instead of the side of the Memorial and you have a perfect example of what happened.

btw It is possible to find both coins in a bag. Then you have a mated pair, which is a nice find.

[CONSERVATIVE]

Wow Dog I like your double struck coin. It is also a neat error. We would have to look for a long time to find our coins mate.

 

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