Possible Overton Variety?

[MunkyMan95]

CBH 1810... I'll try to describe this for you.

 

Die crack that runs from second star on left, under the date, to second star on right.

 

Possible doubled arrows on reverse

 

Possible Doubled "T" in STATES on reverse

 

Possible Rim Cud on reverse

 

 

Overton???

[HaydenTubbs]

If I'm not mistaken Chad,every Bust half is an Overton variety.

[MunkyMan95]

 

Well, in that case, I feel dumb. Excuse my nonsense and move on.

[HaydenTubbs]

 

Well, in that case, I feel dumb. Excuse my nonsense and move on.

 

Don't feel dumb,just post a picture and let the kind bust folks attribute it for you.

[MunkyMan95]

I can't get the pictures up close enough. I guess I could try, but probably won't happen.

[WinstonWare]

Yeah don't feel bad, I was not aware of this either.

[TomB]

It's okay Chad, we don't expect much from you anyway.

I'm truly joking by that comment!

[MunkyMan95]

I'm working on the pictures... They're going to be very small.

[MunkyMan95]

Tried the pics, and they're just way too small. Sorry.

[HaydenTubbs]

Tried the pics, and they're just way too small. Sorry.

I haven't used a scanner for years,but you should be able to adjust the resolution for a much,much bigger picture.

[MunkyMan95]

Stupid me!!! I'm working at 200 DPI, I think it goes up to like 1600!

[HaydenTubbs]

Stupid me!!! I'm working at 200 DPI, I think it goes up to like 1600!

 

Try 1600,this will be interesting

[MunkyMan95]

Adjust your screens, it's on its way!

[MunkyMan95]

Here's one, the one in the date.

 

 

The scratch labeled "Not" us just a scratch. The other thing is a die crack.

[HaydenTubbs]

A little bigger eh Chad? I don't know what to you tell you about those colored lines though.

 

Is it a cheaper scanner?

[MunkyMan95]

I didn't pay anything for it, got it from my G'ma a while ago. After all, it is 1200DPi resolution, in about 3/4 inch actual space.

 

Here's the doubled (?) arrows:

 

[MunkyMan95]

Here's the doubled T. I have outlined where the T should have been if it was a normal T (in black) and in red is where the T was doubled.

 

[MunkyMan95]

Here we have a bump in the S in STATES. Dunno what it is, but definitely on the coin. Just a little bump.

 

[MunkyMan95]

Here's a Die Crack along most of the word UNITED. Starts just before the U. There's also what appears to be another bump between both sides of the U.

 

[MunkyMan95]

Here's the last thing. Something on the rim on the reverse. It shows sunken in in the scan. It's very 3D and visible to the naked eye in hand. The second picture has outlined what I'm referring to.

 

[TomB]

Chad, if this is the PCGS F12 1810 that you posted in the other thread then the coin appears to me to be an O.102, which is an R1. The rarity R1 in the CBH series is for coins that have an extant estimate of 1,000 or more.

 

Hope this helps.

[MunkyMan95]

It is indeed the PCGS coin Tom. Graded by both ANACS and PCGS and missed the Overton variety? Wouldn't they list it on the slab, or no?

[TomB]

PCGS, unless they started this service very recently, will not list the Overton variety on the slab. NGC and ANACS will do it for a small fee, but believe it or not, they are not always correct when they do it!

 

You should be able to see that star 12, starting with star 1 being directly to the left of the date and star 13 being directly to the right of the date, has a small extra point. Additionally, the position of I in PLURIBUS on the reverse seems to be directly between the AT of STATES. These are the main diagnostics for this variety.

[MunkyMan95]

I in PLURIBUS is exactly where you said it should be, but I still don't quite understand what you're saying about the stars...

[TomB]

On the obverse, if you look at star 12 with a loupe, you should see a small extra point coming out of it toward star 13. This is a recut star.

[MunkyMan95]

Found it, scanned it. Look!

 

[James_OldeTowne]

Based on your description and partial images, I'd bet you have O-101, probably THE most common 1810 die-marriage there is. I'd bet a solid 1/3 of 1810s out there are 101. Judging by the images, it's probably a typical middle die-state, with the die-cracks present, but not as extensively developed as in later die-states.

 

For attribution, scanning bust-halves at 600 dpi is more than adequate. Indeed, 400 dpi would probably suffice. It's easier to attribute when the overall "look" of the relation of the devices to one another can be seen all at once, rather than "piecemeal".

 

On a side note, if I owned it, it would be freed from the slab as quick as I could swing a hammer. You're missing out on one-third of the coin like this, and personally, I hate the idea of being allowed to enjoy only a 67% of my coins, especially bust halves !!

 

James

[MunkyMan95]

But Chad like PCGS plastic...

[TomB]

Chad, James, it is an O.102 without doubt. The recut star 12 clinched it for me.

[MunkyMan95]

Whats that mean? Command a premium, or no?