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I'm confused about this coin and it's seller

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WinstonWare

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Hey Guys,

 

This coin was posted across the street in an ebay auction by a seemingly prominent & respected member of the community there. I'm not posting the ebay auction or the thread from across the street because I don't want to call anyone out. That said, I'm really surprised by this coin. It looks terribly AT to me but maybe I just haven't seen enough of these modern coins. What are your thoughts on this coin? Oh, and I'm not looking to buy it, just trying to understand what is going on here. I'm confused. confused.gif

 

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If the images are accurate as they show on my monitor then I wouldn't part with my money to acquire that coin since it looks all the world like AT to me.

 

Also, there are quite a few folks with enormous numbers of posts or with tremendous piles of money and they aren't all "respected" by all of us.

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These ASEs have .999 silver content, as opposed to the .900 in US coins. Therefore, they tone much more rapidly and vibrantly than typical 90% silver. I have seen quite a few with bizarre toning that would never pass as NT on 90% silver, but that was indeed natural toning.

 

While this coin LOOKS to "AT" for me, I wouldn't be the slightest bit surprised to learn that an ASE could tone like that naturally.

 

The rules for judging AT vs. NT on 90% silver coins just don't apply well to ASEs (or any other .999 silver for that matter).

 

James

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It is entirely correct that the 0.999 fine silver pieces tone differently, and more rapidly, than 0.900 fine silver coinage. However, 0.999 fine silver has a terrific tendancy to tone in the deep blue, violet and black range because of the natural oxidation of the silver. I would be surprised to see such pinks and greens on many NT pieces.

 

By the way, just because I think the piece is AT, does not mean that PCGS, NGC or both wouldn't slab it; they slab AT coinage all the time.

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WinstonWare

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By the way, just because I think the piece is AT, does not mean that PCGS, NGC or both wouldn't slab it; they slab AT coinage all the time.

 

Tom, I'm sure you're right but you guys have helped me to understand that you buy the coin and not the holder. So slabbed or not, I'd just assume stay away from this one.

 

Thanks again!

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It is entirely correct that the 0.999 fine silver pieces tone differently, and more rapidly, than 0.900 fine silver coinage. However, 0.999 fine silver has a terrific tendancy to tone in the deep blue, violet and black range because of the natural oxidation of the silver. I would be surprised to see such pinks and greens on many NT pieces.

 

Maybe there's a Florida Mint we don't know about???

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These ASEs have .999 silver content, as opposed to the .900 in US coins. Therefore, they tone much more rapidly and vibrantly than typical 90% silver. I have seen quite a few with bizarre toning that would never pass as NT on 90% silver, but that was indeed natural toning.

 

While this coin LOOKS to "AT" for me, I wouldn't be the slightest bit surprised to learn that an ASE could tone like that naturally.

 

The rules for judging AT vs. NT on 90% silver coins just don't apply well to ASEs (or any other .999 silver for that matter).

 

James

I know a Jewelry dealer here in Richmond who took a ASE and put it in his case in the front of the store and it toned a Brilliant Purple....I saw him put it in the case and I watched it tone over a 6 month period.

There is NO WAY that any of the TPG's would certify it...NO WAY.......but it was as natural as it could be.

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winstonware

If the Big B. says it's legit you can bet the house it is.

That's your opinion. I happen to strongly disagree. 893naughty-thumb.gif

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If the Big B. says it's legit you can bet the house it is.

 

While I will not question Bradidck's words, I will point out that nowhere does he make a claim about the authenticity of the toning on this coin. To that end, I'm with Tom, this coin does not look naturally toned to me...Mike

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winstonware

If the Big B. says it's legit you can bet the house it is.

 

While I will not question Bradidck's words, I will point out that nowhere does he make a claim about the authenticity of the toning on this coin. To that end, I'm with Tom, this coin does not look naturally toned to me...Mike

 

It's a somewhat strange world with contemporary toned coins. I recently sent a small stash of coins to a dealer (popular here and over at PCGS) who recently wrote me to let me know an Ike dollar in that grouping- wildly toned, graded with NGC as MS65.

 

I also sold a SEGS "Questionable Toning" war nickel on eBay and had the buyer email a month or so later to let me know it was now resting comfortably in an NGC STAR holder.

 

I also recently sold an NGC PR69 Ultra Cameo silver eagle that had the deepest, brightest BLUE obverse I had ever seen. It sold for over $500.

 

AT/NT. Somewhat easy to spot on older classic coins but not so much on newer contemporary coins. Coins I think scream AT end up being holdered as valid. Coins I know the source of- NT all the way, get rejected time and time again.

 

Now, regarding the silver eagle, the topic of this thread: Would I even try and spend grading/postage fees to get this one holdered with NGC? No way. I don't think they'de find it either not real or 'market acceptable' as far as color. Would I be shocked to later, down the road, see this one holdered (by someone else other than me)? No. I've become jaded to seeing many like it slab out.

 

Either way, it's pretty, the color is under the proof luster and my terms are fair (no reserve, bidding starts at .99c with full return including two way postage). I also purposely shot it using only cloudy sunlight as I noticed when I used my regular lighting lamps the color was even more intense. This one leaves a little pizzazz on the table so the new owner will be pleasantly surprised and hopefully pleased when he opens the envelope and sees it for the first time.

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winstonware

If the Big B. says it's legit you can bet the house it is.

 

While I will not question Bradidck's words, I will point out that nowhere does he make a claim about the authenticity of the toning on this coin. To that end, I'm with Tom, this coin does not look naturally toned to me...Mike

 

It's a somewhat strange world with contemporary toned coins. I recently sent a small stash of coins to a dealer (popular here and over at PCGS) who recently wrote me to let me know an Ike dollar in that grouping- wildly toned, graded with NGC as MS65.

 

I also sold a SEGS "Questionable Toning" war nickel on eBay and had the buyer email a month or so later to let me know it was now resting comfortably in an NGC STAR holder.

 

I also recently sold an NGC PR69 Ultra Cameo silver eagle that had the deepest, brightest BLUE obverse I had ever seen. It sold for over $500.

 

AT/NT. Somewhat easy to spot on older classic coins but not so much on newer contemporary coins. Coins I think scream AT end up being holdered as valid. Coins I know the source of- NT all the way, get rejected time and time again.

 

Now, regarding the silver eagle, the topic of this thread: Would I even try and spend grading/postage fees to get this one holdered with NGC? No way. I don't think they'de find it either not real or 'market acceptable' as far as color. Would I be shocked to later, down the road, see this one holdered (by someone else other than me)? No. I've become jaded to seeing many like it slab out.

 

Either way, it's pretty, the color is under the proof luster and my terms are fair (no reserve, bidding starts at .99c with full return including two way postage). I also purposely shot it using only cloudy sunlight as I noticed when I used my regular lighting lamps the color was even more intense. This one leaves a little pizzazz on the table so the new owner will be pleasantly surprised and hopefully pleased when he opens the envelope and sees it for the first time.

 

thumbsup2.gif Well said...Mike

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If the Big B. says it's legit you can bet the house it is.

 

While I will not question Bradidck's words, I will point out that nowhere does he make a claim about the authenticity of the toning on this coin. To that end, I'm with Tom, this coin does not look naturally toned to me...Mike

 

It's a somewhat strange world with contemporary toned coins. I recently sent a small stash of coins to a dealer (popular here and over at PCGS) who recently wrote me to let me know an Ike dollar in that grouping- wildly toned, graded with NGC as MS65.

 

I also sold a SEGS "Questionable Toning" war nickel on eBay and had the buyer email a month or so later to let me know it was now resting comfortably in an NGC STAR holder.

 

I also recently sold an NGC PR69 Ultra Cameo silver eagle that had the deepest, brightest BLUE obverse I had ever seen. It sold for over $500.

 

AT/NT. Somewhat easy to spot on older classic coins but not so much on newer contemporary coins. Coins I think scream AT end up being holdered as valid. Coins I know the source of- NT all the way, get rejected time and time again.

 

Now, regarding the silver eagle, the topic of this thread: Would I even try and spend grading/postage fees to get this one holdered with NGC? No way. I don't think they'de find it either not real or 'market acceptable' as far as color. Would I be shocked to later, down the road, see this one holdered (by someone else other than me)? No. I've become jaded to seeing many like it slab out.

 

Either way, it's pretty, the color is under the proof luster and my terms are fair (no reserve, bidding starts at .99c with full return including two way postage). I also purposely shot it using only cloudy sunlight as I noticed when I used my regular lighting lamps the color was even more intense. This one leaves a little pizzazz on the table so the new owner will be pleasantly surprised and hopefully pleased when he opens the envelope and sees it for the first time.

 

thumbsup2.gif Well said...Mike

An Absolute MOOSE American Silver Eagle

 

 

 

Looks so much better in hand. In fact, I'll offer you this: If upon your inspection you are not beyond pleased, return it and receive back not just the closing auction price but two way postage. You won't be out a dime! My suspicion though is the new owner, even with that guarantee in play, won't give up this one no matter what.

 

This one starts out at .99c as do all my auctions.If I hadn't closed my ebay I would probably bid just to inspect it and send it through.airplanenut had one not all that long ago that looked somewhat like this and his was slabbed but I can't remember by who...

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winstonware

If the Big B. says it's legit you can bet the house it is.

 

While I will not question Bradidck's words, I will point out that nowhere does he make a claim about the authenticity of the toning on this coin. To that end, I'm with Tom, this coin does not look naturally toned to me...Mike

 

It's a somewhat strange world with contemporary toned coins. I recently sent a small stash of coins to a dealer (popular here and over at PCGS) who recently wrote me to let me know an Ike dollar in that grouping- wildly toned, graded with NGC as MS65.

 

I also sold a SEGS "Questionable Toning" war nickel on eBay and had the buyer email a month or so later to let me know it was now resting comfortably in an NGC STAR holder.

 

I also recently sold an NGC PR69 Ultra Cameo silver eagle that had the deepest, brightest BLUE obverse I had ever seen. It sold for over $500.

 

AT/NT. Somewhat easy to spot on older classic coins but not so much on newer contemporary coins. Coins I think scream AT end up being holdered as valid. Coins I know the source of- NT all the way, get rejected time and time again.

 

Now, regarding the silver eagle, the topic of this thread: Would I even try and spend grading/postage fees to get this one holdered with NGC? No way. I don't think they'de find it either not real or 'market acceptable' as far as color. Would I be shocked to later, down the road, see this one holdered (by someone else other than me)? No. I've become jaded to seeing many like it slab out.

 

Either way, it's pretty, the color is under the proof luster and my terms are fair (no reserve, bidding starts at .99c with full return including two way postage). I also purposely shot it using only cloudy sunlight as I noticed when I used my regular lighting lamps the color was even more intense. This one leaves a little pizzazz on the table so the new owner will be pleasantly surprised and hopefully pleased when he opens the envelope and sees it for the first time.

 

thumbsup2.gif Well said...Mike

An Absolute MOOSE American Silver Eagle

 

 

 

Looks so much better in hand. In fact, I'll offer you this: If upon your inspection you are not beyond pleased, return it and receive back not just the closing auction price but two way postage. You won't be out a dime! My suspicion though is the new owner, even with that guarantee in play, won't give up this one no matter what.

 

This one starts out at .99c as do all my auctions.

If I hadn't closed my ebay I would probably bid just to inspect it and send it through.airplanenut had one not all that long ago that looked somewhat like this and his was slabbed but I can't remember by who...

 

PCGS I believe.

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I believe that this goes w/o saying but I would like to reiterate that peoples’ honest opinions of coins are what make this forum a great place. I did not intend any disrespect to Braddick. I also did not intend to hang people out by giving their opinions on a coin w/o knowing whose coin it was. That was my fault and I apologize to all parties.

 

That said, I greatly appreciate everyone’s opinions here. I hope that we can all agree that honest opinions are the only way that we can gain knowledge from one another. I also hope that I did not damage any relationships. This was my fault and not the fault of others giving their opinions. Again, I apologize to all parties.

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AT/NT. Somewhat easy to spot on older classic coins but not so much on newer contemporary coins. Coins I think scream AT end up being holdered as valid. Coins I know the source of- NT all the way, get rejected time and time again.

 

The naked truth. And I'll add that I don't think it's always somewhat easy to spot on classic coins. There are people who understand this process very well and have "fooled the best" in this hobby. Moreover, well done, and properly implemented, no harm may have been done. The rotten AT is that which continues to keep "giving."

 

Hoot

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My coin. My eBay auction. Terms of the sale are pretty clear. You don't like, you don't loose a dime...

 

thumbsup2.gif That's why I trust Pat! I hope I win. hi.gif

 

Looks like you're going to have to work on that winning part that this point. 893scratchchin-thumb.gif

 

But seriously that is the best return policy I’ve ever seen at an Ebay auction, bidders certainly can bid with confidence. thumbsup2.gif

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