Take a look at this *DELETED*

[Money Pitt-migration]

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[cpm9ball]

It looks too uniform to be a die crack. Is it raised above the surface? It doesn't look like it.

 

Chris

[TomB]

Generally, Cherrypickers' does not cover die cracks since these simply reflect the then-current die state when the coin was made.

 

More specifically, what you are showing looks like a scratch on the coin's surface and not a die crack. Of course, I could be misinterpreting the image, but die cracks are not normally found with significant brightness or shine on them while this mark looks exactly like a scratch that has been scanned.

[Brotherman]

I think that is a scratch and not a die crack. Die cracks show up as a raised irregular line on the coin. Your pictures looks like the line is indented into the coin. Sorry

 

Hays

[James_OldeTowne]

It appears to be a hairline scratch.

 

James

[Money Pitt-migration]

I have the coin in hand and it is a raised die crack. I will try to maybe scan it with as tilt to show the raise.

OK here is a picture.

[TJ'S Coins]

Looks raised to me which would make it a die crack and not a scratch.

[Brotherman]

It does look raised on the second picture.

I still don’t think it looks like a die crack.

I think it’s a gouge in the die.

 

Hays

[James_OldeTowne]

This image seems to confirm it as a scratch. Remember, when the pin or other finely pointed object presses into the surface of the coin, pushes the metal around it UP, which means it will leave both a depression (the scratch) and the raised metal.

 

James

[Money Pitt-migration]

This image seems to confirm it as a scratch. Remember, when the pin or other finely pointed object presses into the surface of the coin, pushes the metal around it UP, which means it will leave both a depression (the scratch) and the raised metal.

 

James

There is no depression. I have examined this coin with a 10x loop, I guess it is not possible to post what I see. Anyhow, I have emailed pictures to Rob at RJRC.com for evaluation.

Thanks for all the discouraging and negative comments.

[WaxonWaxov]

...Thanks for all the discouraging and negative comments.

 

[MikeInFL]

I believe your crack is a post-mint scratch from looking at the first image, but the second one and your comments have me second guessing myself.

 

Please don't take people's honest opinions as a criticism -- we're just being honest...Mike

[MAULEMALL]

This image seems to confirm it as a scratch. Remember, when the pin or other finely pointed object presses into the surface of the coin, pushes the metal around it UP, which means it will leave both a depression (the scratch) and the raised metal.

 

James

There is no depression. I have examined this coin with a 10x loop, I guess it is not possible to post what I see. Anyhow, I have emailed pictures to Rob at RJRC.com for evaluation.

Thanks for all the discouraging and negative comments.

If you ask for an opinion you should at least give some respect to those who took the time to give thier Honest appraisal.

 

Is there a mint mark and can you post the reverse?

There are 20 (just a guess) or so VAMs for a 1925P&S Peace Dollar.

[WinstonWare]

I agree with Mike and Patrick. People here give their honest assesment. Their opinions are not meant to be discouraging or negative. They are simply meant to be truthful. This is an educational community and truthfulness is essential to that end.

 

Please read peoples' posts again and you will notice that there is only honest opinion there - nothing malicious.

[TomB]

Since the original poster deleted the original post I believe it is best to let folks, who got here late, know what was going on. The poster put up an apparently scanned image of a 1925(?) Peace dollar that looked very much like it had a scratch behind Ms Liberty's portrait. The text with the image was a request for a VAM identification of the coin based upon what appeared to be the scratch in question. The original poster thought that what appeared to be a scratch was actually a die crack. The responses that followed were all courteous and I believe all agreed that it looked like a scratch, not a die crack.

 

A follow-up image was posted, which looks to have been taken with a digital camera instead of a scanner, and this image was not yet removed when I posted this post. At that time the post that the image was embedded in had a terse thank you to those who posted negative comments. In truth, there were no negative comments, only honest observations. Therefore, in case more of this thread is deleted, here is that second image-

[Stanley]

Tom, I beleive he said this image was taken with his scanner at a tilted angle. I remember thinking he should be taken all his pictures because this image is far better than his first.

[TomB]

I agree that the image remaining is exceptional, and I only posted the summary and image because I know from experience how frustrating it is to open a thread in the evening that has been deleted by the author that afternoon.

[Die Varieties]

I saw both images but had to run on an errand before getting a chance to reply.

 

From both images (one has since been deleted?) -- it appeared to me to be post Mint damage, that is, a scratch and not a die crack.

[Money Pitt-migration]

First off, let me start by saying "thank you" to all those that posted useful information on my thread.

Secondly, I was not intending to delete my first post but rather the entire useless thread.

 

since my thread has been high jacked, let me say this...

It may not be wise to assume that a new member to this forum is a new collector.

I never asked anyone to tell me rather or not this was a scratch or a die break. I asked if anyone was familiar with this as being an identified VAM because I do not have a book. However, I found myself having to provide proof of a die break when that wasn't what I was asking.....

And still the original question, which is now history, has not even been addressed because everyone is argueing about whether are not this is a scratch.....

 

If a moderator reads this, please delete this thread or lock it, I will not be participating in this thread any longer.

 

I apologize for wasting everyones time.

[MunkyMan95]

Money Pitt, this is our roundabout way to get the answer you needed! Don't take it personal, or think of it as wasting our time, first everyone critiques the coin, then someone like TomB, or Chris come in and say "In reference to the original question..." and you have your answer. Just because we debated for a day or two about your coin, doesn't mean we weren't going to give you your answer. If the 'Die Break' or whatever it is, was a scratch, then there's no VAM for it. All of this debating was therefore very relevant to your question.

[Stanley]

Glad to be of some help to you Money Pitt. I am somewhat familiar with the Vam designation and I do not believe they have one for scratched coin surfaces. At least not yet.

[TomB]

Your thread wasn't hijacked, and wasn't really off-course, until you decided to attempt to delete it.

 

You had asked for a VAM identification, and some Cherrypicker information, on a coin based upon what you believe is a die crack. The image supplied made it appear, at least to most who posted, that it was more likely a scratch than a die crack. The discussion that followed was entirely about the die crack/scratch and was well within the bounds of your request since the premise of the thread was VAM identification using that marker.

 

I have not read through the entire post again, but I don't recall anyone calling you a new collector simply because you asked for help. However, I will again read the thread after I post this to correct myself if I am wrong.

 

It is indeed unfortunate that you have wasted the time of others, not with the initial request for help, but with the knee-jerk reaction of deleting your initial post. You may want to consider posting the initial images and question again and you might be able to get the help you came here for.

[MunkyMan95]

Nope Tom, nobody called him 'new'. He just got a little overheated for some reason.

[MAULEMALL]

This image seems to confirm it as a scratch. Remember, when the pin or other finely pointed object presses into the surface of the coin, pushes the metal around it UP, which means it will leave both a depression (the scratch) and the raised metal.

 

James

There is no depression. I have examined this coin with a 10x loop, I guess it is not possible to post what I see. Anyhow, I have emailed pictures to Rob at RJRC.com for evaluation.

Thanks for all the discouraging and negative comments.

If you ask for an opinion you should at least give some respect to those who took the time to give thier Honest appraisal.

 

Is there a mint mark and can you post the reverse?

There are 20 (just a guess) or so VAMs for a 1925P&S Peace Dollar.

and again i ask if you have a pic of the reverse and is there a mint mark. or if you like you can look here. or even here

[James_OldeTowne]

((( Thanks for all the discouraging and negative comments. )))

 

Speaking for myself, I hope you are NOT discouraged! Sometimes, responses are not what you expected or wanted to hear. When that happens to me, I pay special attention, since that usually means I've missed something that others picked up on.

 

I hope you are, on the contrary, encouraged to keep looking at your coins for unusual characteristics.

 

Also, I don't think an opinion, expressed honestly and in a friendly manner, ought not to be considered "negative". If others' opinions about coins were always unwelcome, this would be the world's worst hobby!

 

James

[ldhair]

Money Pitt. Hope you hang in here a bit longer.

 

One thing is for sure.

You will get the most truthful and honest opinions here that you will find, from some of the most knowledgeable folks in the hobby. I learn something new here every day.

 

The second image is really great. Please share how you took it. Was it a scanner?