MunkyMan95 Posted April 27, 2006 Share Posted April 27, 2006 Yeah, there's a couple black spots... and I just looked and the eagle's breast is very worn. Where's the fingerprint? There's toning around something that looks like a print, but maybe not exactly a print. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TomB Posted April 27, 2006 Share Posted April 27, 2006 The images of your raw Morgan have me concerned about the color on the reverse, however you say they are not accurate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MunkyMan95 Posted April 27, 2006 Share Posted April 27, 2006 Why is the reverse color a concern? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gmarguli Posted April 27, 2006 Share Posted April 27, 2006 Why is the reverse color a concern? Because it looks like a very common AT job that is done on Morgans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MunkyMan95 Posted April 27, 2006 Share Posted April 27, 2006 Oh, really? MAN... I got it from a reputable source, and it's not you can see the tone the whole time, just at the right angle under certain light. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kryptonitecomics Posted April 27, 2006 Share Posted April 27, 2006 The toning does look a little off to me as well.....might look different if the picture was shot straight on or if we had the coin in hand but right now...........I am leaning towards AT...sorry Chad Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MunkyMan95 Posted April 27, 2006 Share Posted April 27, 2006 I'm telling you, the coin is a really dark forest green in hand, but when tilted it shows the colors. It is raw, maybe it is AT. In that case, what should I do? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kryptonitecomics Posted April 27, 2006 Share Posted April 27, 2006 I don't think any of us can determine AT or NT with 100% accuracy from the images provided.......but.....you might start by contacting the original seller to get his thoughts and or see about his return policy. It doesn't seem like an expensive coin so even if you find out it's AT (not stating it is for sure) then I would consider it a cheap lesson learned. When you can start to determine AT vs NT with a high probability 80% to 90% then return to raw coins.....otherwise I always recommend sticking with certified material. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MunkyMan95 Posted April 27, 2006 Share Posted April 27, 2006 I actually got it in a trade. I know nothing about AT, but I trusted the guy and thought he would have told me if it was AT. I still think I made a good trade, and I like the coin even if it is AT. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TomB Posted April 27, 2006 Share Posted April 27, 2006 As Shane has written, it is truly impossible for us to tell you 100% that that coin is AT, especially given that you say that the color is remarkably different in-hand. However, as many of us have written, that look is often found on AT Morgans. Is it truly AT? Who knows. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kryptonitecomics Posted April 27, 2006 Share Posted April 27, 2006 I actually got it in a trade. I know nothing about AT, but I trusted the guy and thought he would have told me if it was AT. I still think I made a good trade, and I like the coin even if it is AT. I think that's the most important thing here and again.....learning how toning develops and learning the appropriate color sequences of toning will help you determine AT vs NT a high percentage of the time. I copied your image and blew it up on my computer and I just can't figure out how the color progression would get that way becuase you have some dark blues and purples next to some yellow golds and that's not a normal progression....we are missing the light blue and rose colors for one....similar to these: The person who swapped might not have been dishonest in anyway....he simply might not have the appropriate skills sets to effectively determine AT/NT himself? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zrlevin Posted April 28, 2006 Share Posted April 28, 2006 Here is my most recent acquisition, courtesy of board member Mikeinfl; Thanks a ton Mike! It's a great addition to my type set. Zach Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MunkyMan95 Posted April 28, 2006 Share Posted April 28, 2006 The coin was indeed AT. I used some warm soapy water and that removed some tone, then I used some heptane and that took care of most of the rest. Ahh well... Lesson learned, I guess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kryptonitecomics Posted April 28, 2006 Share Posted April 28, 2006 The coin was indeed AT. I used some warm soapy water and that removed some tone, then I used some heptane and that took care of most of the rest. Ahh well... Lesson learned, I guess. Yep it's going to happen.....we all run across coins we think are legit only to find out that they aren't as they appear. I bought 2 coins at FUN this year that I thought might be real...50/50 shot.......I should them to other TCCS members and was quickly told there weren't legitimate so.............even folks that focus on toned coins can't tell 100% of the time. Just go to shows and look at as many toned coins as you can and get a feel for the right colors and wrong colors and make sure you pay close attention to toning on different denominations. They don't all tone the same way so looking at lots of coins will help you figure out the right look and the wrong look. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michael Posted April 28, 2006 Share Posted April 28, 2006 sweet great eye appealling coin zach you are off to a great start Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EZ_E Posted April 28, 2006 Share Posted April 28, 2006 I absolutely love this! Since I still need one for my type set, I admit that I'm just a little envious. It is so very hard to find a nice original, eye-appealing no motto Seated Dollar. Great find!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoelSports Posted April 29, 2006 Share Posted April 29, 2006 SLQ for perusal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stanley Posted May 8, 2006 Share Posted May 8, 2006 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bruceswar Posted May 8, 2006 Share Posted May 8, 2006 wow nice coins guys Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stanley Posted May 8, 2006 Share Posted May 8, 2006 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bruceswar Posted May 8, 2006 Share Posted May 8, 2006 thats a nice 43 D quarter..... let me guess NGC MS 64? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stanley Posted May 8, 2006 Share Posted May 8, 2006 Thanks Bruce...Maybe not the best image...NGC graded it MS67 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bruceswar Posted May 8, 2006 Share Posted May 8, 2006 lustre must be killer in hand.... but just from the hits seen I am not sure I agree with MS67... but I have not seen the coin in hand so... on a side note it seems to be a nice RPM Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MunkyMan95 Posted May 8, 2006 Share Posted May 8, 2006 I've heard that term used many times Bruce. What exactly does RPM mean/stand for? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RGT Posted May 8, 2006 Share Posted May 8, 2006 I thought it was an RPM at first but it looks more like a DDR. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bruceswar Posted May 8, 2006 Share Posted May 8, 2006 I thought it was an RPM at first but it looks more like a DDR. What makes you think that? RPM = Repunched Mintmark Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jgrinz Posted May 8, 2006 Share Posted May 8, 2006 (edited) I am now One short of the Full 70's set after this purchase - I am sorry I will NOT spend 2500.00 for a 81' type 2 SBA its just not right This one was a pretty penny but 1 of 15 I was pretty happy at a few hundred LESS than the last one sold at ... Edited May 9, 2006 by jgrinz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ER Posted May 8, 2006 Share Posted May 8, 2006 Man, I love this thread. All nice coins. Here's a crusty Bust Dollar from DLRC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jgrinz Posted May 8, 2006 Share Posted May 8, 2006 Sorry I am a Posterior Man and Not a Bust Man Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ER Posted May 8, 2006 Share Posted May 8, 2006 Sorry I am a Posterior Man and Not a Bust Man Ummm, ok. Don't invite me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...