What sad day, another gem Seated Quarter is ruined for greed (PCGS forum)

[James_OldeTowne]

I am certain they are the same coin

 

Note the planchet streak on the reverse above the letters CA and extending further south of those letters in AMERICA.

 

What do you think?

 

By the way, I DO NOT believe that NCS had anything to do with this travesty.

 

James

[gmarguli]

I do not believe they are the same coins.

[TJ'S Coins]

I believe they are the same coin. What a graphic example of the dangers of dipping. I love the coin in its original toned condition. The DLRC example is simply washed out and much less desirable.

[MunkyMan95]

I believe that they could be the same coins, in which case THAT IS THE DUMBEST THING EVER TO DO TO SUCH A NICE COIN!!!

[gmarguli]

If they are the same, then the dipping took off the top part of the F in OF.

[James_OldeTowne]

I think the alleged "missing F" is an artifact of imaging, or possibly a defect in the NGC plastic obscuring part of the letter. Take a look again at the planchet flaw I noted. It's a significant flaw, and the odds of two coins being struck with the exact same flaw in the exact same spot are incredibly remote, especially on a coin of this grade-rarity.

 

Here are two images, one being Goldberg's and the other being DLRC's. I resized both to the same size, then converted Goldberg's to a greyscale (third image) and indicated the area where the planchet flaw seems to exist on both coins. The flaw is such that it caused the CA to be weakly struck at the top of each letter, and this is visible in both images.

 

This is definitely a planchet flaw, and not a die problem (which obviously would have shown up on both coins). Also, the 1866 is notorious for having a poorly struck shield. The chance of two high-grade coins like this being on the market in the same time frame just defies all odds.

 

 

James

[MunkyMan95]

Yeah you're right. Definitely the same coin.

[Bruceswar]

Same coin.. Look at the front at the 2 marks just in front of her leg... matches up well... sad day yes...

[Connecticoin]

Does NCS have a stance on this? I would hope they would refuse to "conserve" a coin such as this one, but many (mostly on the PCGS boards) have cited examples in which nice original looking coins were indeed "improved" by NCS (not a badly as this one) in pursuit of an upgrade.

[Connecticoin]

The other sad thing is the "stripper" might have received an upgrade anyway if he just cracked it and submitted it without messing with it!

[crazyboutcoins-migration]

I thought this coin was the same too, but I've got to agree with Greg. There's a lot of difference in the F in OF. I think the serifs in the last S of states look different too. The white coin serifs are a lot sharper.

[Tradedollarnut]

That's a trick of the lighting.

[crazyboutcoins-migration]

Tradedollar, if the lighting is causing that, than that's scary thought. The white S serif (bottom) sure looks pointed and more detailed compared to the original. Is the lighting what caused the F middle serif to look different too?

Guess like I've got plenty to learn! Thanks for the info.

[Bruceswar]

Same coin ... proven on the other side of the street...

[James_OldeTowne]

Look at the direction in which shadows fall on each coin. It's apparent that the lighting angles were very different, yet both coins still show the planchet flaw.

 

James

[Oldtrader3]

Look at the little circle of marks on Liberty, just below the right breast. I think that they are the same coin.

[MikeKing]

I'm still not convinced the F in OF is the same thing...what is the explanation of that something going on at the base of the F in the dipped coin and why again is part of the upper serif missing?

[EZ_E]

Regardless if they are the same coin or not, the original piece has loads of eye-appeal. The dipped piece is fugly. Whoever dipped it is certainly a dip sh--! [pun intended]