please grade this gold coin and tell us why you graded it as you did

[michael]

now all we got are photos on here so just do your best

 

and pleaee if necessary give a split grade for obverse and reverse and then tell us why you graded it as you did

 

good luck

[michael]

here is the reverse

[Bruceswar]

 

MS 64 Cameo! WOW.... I don't know much about this sorta early gold.. but I know what I like..... I lke this piece... I put that at what I did because thats what I fell on this coin... though it may be higher...

[Tradedollarnut]

There's absolutely no way to grade off an image that shows neither luster nor lines in the fields.

 

With that said, I'll guess AU58 due to what could be a small patch of wear on the cheek and brow.

[MikeInFL]

Early gold is far from my specialty, but that almost looks like a specimen/proof strike. What a coin! AU 58 OBV, MS 64 REV is my grade....Mike

[James_OldeTowne]

This coin definitely looks messed with to me. Those weird little spots are not copper spots, and I can't think of any reason they would show up on a gold coin, unless it's an artifact of having been messed with.

 

I'll guess AU-50 net grade.

 

However, this is a very poor image from which to judge surface quality. It looks completely flat, with no luster showing, almost like a hand-drawn picture.

 

James

[IGWT]

AU 58 OBV, MS 64 REV

 

I won't hazard a guess because I know nothing about early gold. But, when one side of the coin circulates, doesn't the other side go along with it?

[jtryka]

I am no expert in early gold, but that image is horrible for discerning luster and potential hairlines/problems in the fields. I would guess anywhere from MS-62 to MS-65, but I don't think it's a circulated coin.

[RGT]

However, this is a very poor image from which to judge surface quality. It looks completely flat, with no luster showing, almost like a hand-drawn picture.

 

James

 

James, I agree with you about the picture, but the last time you said that about one of Michael's pictures he told you not to respond to his posts any more.

 

My first impression was that there was some wear on the high points of the obverse, but I can't see any wear on the reverse. The luster is impossible to judge. I'd say something like AU55/MS63.

[michael]

all great responses

 

the photo is like i said all we got on here but you can see the rub on the obverse

 

in hand the coin is greatly lusterous and heavy clashed dies hence the dies were polished and there are some marks lines consistanct with a choice au grade but no problems

 

to speak of but there is rub as you can see in the photo on the obverse and the obverse is mostly semi prooflike with some lustre and the reverse is mostly lusterous with killer lustre and no rub at all!! in fact the reverse grades a full choice unc. but with slight rub on the cheek hair curl breast and also top of cap it is only a choice au and it does have an almost full strike

 

hard to grade from the photos but my purpose on this thread is that to show a coin that is close to unc in fact choice unc reverse as no rub but on the obverse it is clearly rubbed so choice au

SO BE CAREFUL WHEN OFFERED ANY PRE 1915 GOLD SILVER COINS THAT ARE GRADED MS 61 62 EVEN 63!! AS THEN YOU MIGHT GET SOMETHING LIKE THIS COIN AND PAY A FORTUNE FOR IT

 

as this coin might be a nice lusterous unc on the reverse but only slider au obverse

 

 

this coin is graded pcgs au 58

 

so in conclusion be careful when you are buying unc coins in holsdrss for your collection and it is odd that this photo shows the rub much better than seeing the coin in hand sight seen but unfortunately you cant see the lustre or light marks

[jtryka]

Excellent michael! At an AU-58 grade, that would be a coin with seemingly great eye appeal at an attractive price. Thanks for the lesson!

[chinook]

I grade it 2 red X's

[MunkyMan95]

I would say AU 58 like most of the rest of us...

[MikeKing]

Michael, thank you for the educational post.

[michael]

your most welcome

 

now the photop was extremely juiced so it looked funny but well the point of the thread was to show the slight rub and great surfaces and also the reverses are many times choice unc with slight rub obv and au58 and worth as much as if not more than ms60 with as much eye appeal as ms61 62 maybe 63 at a lot less of a price

 

unless it is in an unc holder

 

so you got to be careful to only buy coins like this in an au58 holder not in an ms 616263 holder

 

[michael]

i had this up a day and for me i am just funny like that i delete the photoa fter a day so this is why you needs to always visit the ngc forums once a day or you will miss it

 

a crappy photoso i will try to get a better photo showinmg the coins lustre pl surfaces and marks and also

 

those spots where just copper spots on the coin vbut the juiced photo gave the coin a sort of a strange look

 

i assure you that in person sight seen it would make grown men weep

[EZ_E]

i assure you that in person sight seen it would make grown men weep

 

I too noticed the rub on the cheek and the curls above the forehead and thought that the reverse was MS but didn't want to embarrass myself again by commenting on something I knew nothing about.

 

Great post, Mike! I love that coin and issue!!

[michael]