Whats the deal with cheap people on ebay?

[dinwiddie-migration]

Play a violin for me ...yeah I know I'm in the pity pot but I have to whine sometime about ebay. It's like gambling ...I have to quit. I keep coming out on the short end of the stick...and ebay is sitting pretty. I somehow wish that ebay were an animate object that I could smash with a bat. I should prob. blame myself or go buy one of those how to ebay books or something. I posted the dime I had up on the board a few weeks ago and thought mm a 1942/1 D Merc. should go for at least 300-600 so I started at 600 then I thought "Why be greedy ...so I lowered the starting price to 300.00. I had 18 watchers and no bidders? Whaaa!!!!! ebay link

[James_OldeTowne]

Can you link it please? I don't think anyone will accuse you of spamming.

 

James

[dinwiddie-migration]

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?Vie...S%3AIT&rd=1

[Die Varieties]

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?Vie...S%3AIT&rd=1

 

You mention in your auction about a John Bordner. Did he actually examine your coin and authenticate it?

[Connecticoin]

People are probably reluctant to bid because it is raw. The pictures are not that good either -- very grainy and hard to make out the overdate. Your 95.7% feedback rating does not help either (the explanations you gave for the negs would not keep me from bidding, but many bidders do not bother to read them).

 

If you think the coin will slab, you should probably send it to be graded.

[JamminJ]

I wouldn't touch that auction with a 10 foot pole.

[dinwiddie-migration]

We know about you and poles...

[dinwiddie-migration]

No I didn't send it in but I sent him some closeups and he said it looked just like one he had in his collection then attributed it and afterwards said he might consider buying it but I think I scared him away with the price.

[dinwiddie-migration]

Yes I know but part of the problem is also due to the many times it was struck about 5 times total.

[TomB]

I wouldn't bid on that coin either for the simple reason that it in no way appears to be the overdate. You should either image your coins properly or expect to get no bids.

[Die Varieties]

The reason why I asked if John Bordner had examined the coin is because I have known him personally for years and talk with him at major shows. He is one of the dime attributers for the John Wexler files.

 

I never attribute a coin from photos alone and especially a major overdate variety. From what I see in your pics in the auction -- I do not see the '42/1-D. I wouldn't bid either.

[gmarguli]

Don't take this too personal, but this is why I would not bid:

 

1) The pictures don't show the overdate.

 

2) It's raw.

 

3) Your grade seems high based on the pictures. If you're going to overgrade, you're also going to lie about other things.

 

4) Your feedback.

 

5) The other coins you were selling at the same time. The "brokage" cent looks like someone used a hammer and made it.

 

6) Your About Me page that talks about dogs, not coins.

 

7) You refer to double die and not doubleD die. Tells me you're not knowledgeable about these types of coins and this one is raw.

 

Personally, this is a listing that I'd run screaming away from. You can put this coin in a $15 slab and have it sold very easy.

[paperchaser-migration]

Hmmmm, seems I agree with TomB here also, would NOT have bid. Photos are just not sharp enough to make me certain of the overdate. Authentication, slabbing and grading would greatly enhance your chances for selling.

[EZ_E]

Listen to Greg's input 'cause he's right. XF40 definitely is very generous and it is hard to tell the overdate. But, I certainly do empathize with you!

[McKinley-migration]

i giggle at these sellers

[James_OldeTowne]

I don't really have anything negative to say about the listing, except that it isn't clear that this coin really is an overdate. That may be strictly a problem with the imaging. I think the grade is just a tad liberal, but I wouldn't really argue with that either. I'd call it VF-35, but really, that doesn't make much difference in value.

 

If you want, mail the coin to me insured, and I'll authenticate it and image it for you, and mail it back to you insured. You can then use my images in your listing (or for that matter, I'll list it for you).

 

James

[dinwiddie-migration]

Apparently I struck a nerve with some people with the title of my post. What intrigues me the most is that you guys play follow the leader on the board and everyone is an expert. This is the same coin I posted a few weeks ago on here and not one of you had anything to say then other than nice coin and said the grade would be XF. Look back at the posts from last week ! . As far as you go Billy I know you have known Mr. Bordner for years because I've seen your name published along side his in various articles and I mentioned you in my email to him....if you question me why don't you just simply ask him why he attributed it. Once more you guys really trip me out two years ago you all Tom B. jumped my [embarrassing lack of self control] for posting pics of some quarters that you said were [embarrassing lack of self control] and it was only when I got a scanner that you all told me that the same exact coins were AU . Bruces you've always been kind of cool up until now what happened? Everyone knows that most of the feedback BS on ebay is a bunch of psychological [embarrassing lack of self control]. I was just giving back a little of the infantile attitude that most coin collectors seem to have when I made this post. It seems that most are a bunch of babies who cry if they don't get their way like I was doing in my post. It was meant to be kind of humorous but again everyone has to jump on the band wagon and start insulting my character over a GD coin that I graded based on your opinions of the grade last week.

[Die Varieties]

Apparently I struck a nerve with some people with the title of my post. What intrigues me the most is that you guys play follow the leader on the board and everyone is an expert. This is the same coin I posted a few weeks ago on here and not one of you had anything to say then other than nice coin and said the grade would be XF. Look back at the posts from last week ! . As far as you go Billy I know you have known Mr. Bordner for years because I've seen your name published along side his in various articles and I mentioned you in my email to him....if you question me why don't you just simply ask him why he attributed it. Once more you guys really trip me out two years ago you all Tom B. jumped my [embarrassing lack of self control] for posting pics of some quarters that you said were [embarrassing lack of self control] and it was only when I got a scanner that you all told me that the same exact coins were AU . Bruces you've always been kind of cool up until now what happened? Everyone knows that most of the feedback BS on ebay is a bunch of psychological [embarrassing lack of self control]. I was just giving back a little of the infantile attitude that most coin collectors seem to have when I made this post. It seems that most are a bunch of babies who cry if they don't get their way like I was doing in my post. It was meant to be kind of humorous but again everyone has to jump on the band wagon and start insulting my character over a GD coin that I graded based on your opinions of the grade last week.

 

I never posted anything in your other thread you started titled, Please help me grade this 1942/41 Mercury ... I also never told you what my thoughts would be for grade on your coin or for that matter whether it was a genuine 42/41-D or not. You mentioned John Bordner attributing it. But in your auction you referred to it as correspondence with JB. I can't speak for JB -- but the first rule of any official attributor is to actually examine the coin. You started this post by asking what's the deal with cheap people on ebay. I didn't say anything about the grade but only stated that from your pics of the coin it doesn't look like the 42/41-D to me. I think you got your answer the hard way with no bidders on your auction.

[Connecticoin]

Dinwiddle, I think most of the posters here were trying to give you constructive feedback. I think if you take it to heart, you will improve your chances of selling the coin. James made a very generous offer, and as others have said, if you have the coin graded, you will likely maximize the coin's selling price.

 

Finally, I hope you have fully recovered from you health problems.

[Stanley]

dinwiddie, I think you are wrong in your assessment of last nights post. I don’t think I even commented on this post until now, but I was following it and all I saw out of it was everyone giving you the same advice for which you had asked. Sorry you took it as an attack on your character.

[James_OldeTowne]

It looks like I had the same grading opinion this time around as last time. Maybe I should work for NGC ?

 

But seriously, if you'd care to mail the coin to me, I'd be happy to try and provide better images - no cost to you other than shipping.

 

James

[dinwiddie-migration]

I have alot of respect for most posters on here. I do realize that most is constructive criticism but regardless of the quality of the photo I think it was the fact that I threw John Bordners name into it that really got everyone rolling. I'm not going to post the actual email on here because I think I've said enough if Billy doesn't believe me then I suggested he contact him directly. I have no clue as to why he attributed it via the internet. I don't really even care about Mercury dimes. I do think that regardless of the quality of the photo that in general people on ebay are looking to get something for nothing like alot of coin dealers do.

[dinwiddie-migration]

And whats the problem with dogs? Also , Why would I have to lie? I make twice (as I was asking for the dime) as much from the sale of one puppy ?

[Die Varieties]

Your misunderstanding me -- I do believe you contacted JB. It's just that I'm surprised he attributed the coin without actually examining it.

[paperchaser-migration]

Hey, folks. Hasn't this whole thing been sort of been "beat to a pulp" and isn't it time everyone take a deep breath and then move along to something bigger, better, brighter and more positive.

And just in case you haven't noticed: NOTHING I ever post is personal, just isn't my way nor my style. If I offend I apologize now. If I ever have a personal anything to say I'll route it through the moderator.

[dinwiddie-migration]

I heard that ...it's been beat to a pulp I agree. I try to never post negative things on here because for the most part this board and most of the members here are really positive and thats one of the things, besides it being educational, that I like. I have never met any of you but I have written to alot of you for a while and this board is something that I look forward to waking up to in the mornings. I'm sorry for all the ill feelings I was just really having a bad day yesterday and prob. should have took it elsewhere. My wife says that this is becoming an all too consuming hobby for me considering I spend most of my free time on here reading . She would rather I be outside clearing 4 acres of trees and planting a 1 acre garden down below. (Raised bed garden which means I have to haul down topsoil in a wheelbarrow from the top of the hill - 50 ft. just to dump then go back up. I'm good for about 3 hrs. then I have to haul logs down on my shoulder. ) Talk about tired. Plus I've been taking B-12 since I quit smoking and I get cranky for some reason.

[gmarguli]

And whats the problem with dogs? Also , Why would I have to lie? I make twice (as I was asking for the dime) as much from the sale of one puppy ?

 

Nothing is wrong with dogs, but when you're trying to sell a widely counterfeited coin that is raw, it doesn't help that your About Me page talks about something totally unrelated to coins. It says you're not likely a coin person.

 

After all, if you were looking to buy a dog over the internet and the sellers page detailing their experience talked about fishing boats, would that give you more confidence in the purchase of something totally unrelated?

[dinwiddie-migration]

I put that there because I was buying dog books and dog supplies and anything related to dogs before I decided to start selling coins again and no I'm not totally into coins. I didn't know that this was a widely counterfitted coin either but now I do and that clears alot up.

[TomB]

I'm not certain how I managed to get mentioned in your post on this coin, since I never responded to your first thread about the coin.

 

Anyway, to cut to the point, you evidently have not read the Cherrypicker's Guide, have not understood its sections on errors and varieties or simply do not care to put the effort into imaging coins properly or being realistic about what you have because I cannot recall any of the "error" coins you have posted actually being what you claim. I apologize if it reads harshly, but the truth needs to be heard at some point and the truth of the matter is that I pass many of your threads by without reading them because I know they will not be as advertised. As for the ebay auction, you received excellent advice from the folks here.

 

Flame away if you like, but I stand by what I wrote as being completely reasonable. Also, I may not be on the boards for a few days, so there will likely be no response from me.

[Morgannut]

The only good way to sell a coin on Ebay is to sent it to NGC or ANACS for "genuine guarantee" to buyers. Otherwise you jip yourself selling too cheap. Finally just because it's nice, XF, and not common, doesn't mean anyone needs the coin at this time. It's not being cheap if you have one already.