While were on the subject of Wild Dates -- Explain This One???

[Die Varieties]

Since we been talking about the 1888 IHCs -- I figured this one would be a "wild" one to try and scratch our heads over!

 

This is listed in the CPG Guide on page 101 as 1934 1c FS-013.79. According to the CPG, only a few specimens have surfaced. Here is one I came across. CPG states, "What appears to be an extra 3 and 4 are in the field directly below the date." It also goes on to say that, "Overlays confirm the very high likelihood of this being a doubled die."

 

Here are two photos I took. The below photo shows some raised remnants wide south of the date in the field as pointed out by the arrows.

 

 

This is the same photo but with an overlay using the digits "9" and "3" (not the "3" and "4" as CPG states) superimposed over those remnants.

 

 

Explain this one? How could this happen? Or is this some more of those "weird" die chips?

 

What say ye?

[mhardin2413]

i think this is hte case of probability arguing against you (that will all given die chips, some will invariably look like the lines on numbers). at first glance, yes, it does look like ghost date. however, when you look at the line on the ghost 3, the curvature does not follow the line of the 3, but merely is a curve that occurs in the same space--the curve of the real 3 is much tighter than the ghost three, making it a ghost less likely.

but of course, my only experience with these kinds of dates are with seated dimes. it may be different with lincolns, so this is just one opinion.

good luck.

[Die Varieties]

I do want to make it clear -- I'm not saying this is a 9 and 3 in the field. I'm only showing my photos and what CPG has stated.

 

I don't know what the heck it is. But it does appear to match pretty close to the overlay. We can see the same very similar size and shape of middle remnants of a "3" when we look at the well known variety 1963-D cent FS-025.8. If you compare, the middle portion remnants on the '63-D variety are quite similar in appearance to the remnants we see on this 1934 in the field.

[cpm9ball]

I do want to make it clear -- I'm not saying this is a 9 and 3 in the field. I'm only showing my photos and what CPG has stated.

 

I don't know what the heck it is. But it does appear to match pretty close to the overlay. We can see the same very similar size and shape of middle remnants of a "3" when we look at the well known variety 1963-D cent FS-025.8. If you compare, the middle portion remnants on the '63-D variety are quite similar in appearance to the remnants we see on this 1934 in the field.

 

Billy, try lining it up with the far right side (outer edge) of the 3 and see how the other mark fits with the 9.

 

By the way, Billy, did you get my package today?

 

Chris

[EZ_E]

Easy: time travel. Or else a very imaginative and creative mind with which we've been endowed.

[Die Varieties]

I do want to make it clear -- I'm not saying this is a 9 and 3 in the field. I'm only showing my photos and what CPG has stated.

 

I don't know what the heck it is. But it does appear to match pretty close to the overlay. We can see the same very similar size and shape of middle remnants of a "3" when we look at the well known variety 1963-D cent FS-025.8. If you compare, the middle portion remnants on the '63-D variety are quite similar in appearance to the remnants we see on this 1934 in the field.

 

Billy, try lining it up with the far right side (outer edge) of the 3 and see how the other mark fits with the 9.

 

By the way, Billy, did you get my package today?

 

Chris

 

Yes -- I received your coins about 3PM. I have sent you an e-mail.

[Buffalo_Pete]

Me is no expert on hubbing.

 

That said, with the thousands upon thousands of hubbed dies out there.

it is possible some wild mishap occurred.

 

The die making the impression may have got jolted, or bumped right when it was ready to make the impression.

 

It might have gotten "pushed" into the receiving die, then backed away

and re-lined for a proper impression.

 

This is all of course supposition.

 

.........But things happen.........

 

Pete

[James_OldeTowne]

Personally, I think it looks like tooled marks on the obverse die, and not an incorrectly punched date.

 

James