Real or not?

[petetrav-migration]

I just found three coins and I'm hoping to find our a way to verify whether they are counterfeit. Two are Morgan dollars, one 1893 S and one 1895, both in probably EF - AU condition. The third (which I'm almost positive is counterfeit) is an 1848 O Seated Liberty type Silver dollar. I cannot find any evidence that such a coin was ever minted in N.O. in that year. Anyone have any suggestions? Thanks

[midwest]

The seated liberty dollar is fake.

 

How did you get these coins and do you know where they were obtained from? This could help a lot, If possible post pictures of both of the Morgan dollars.

 

Both of those dates are VERY rare. If you post picutres we may be able to tell if they are counterfit. Both coins are probably counterfit so don't get your hopes up. Your best bet would be to send them to ANACS.

 

Also welcome to the forum

[nwcs]

Without pics it is not possible to know. The seated is a counterfeit and given that the other two are some of the most counterfeited/altered coins out there I'd wager they are fake as well. Especially if you got them at the same source.

[petetrav-migration]

Thanks, it's good to be here. It's kind of funny - I ordered them from a guy on eBay (those three coins, plus four others), but he was delisted prior to the end of the sale. I never thought about it again until today, when I came home to find the package containing the coins on my dining room table. Given the inclusion of an obvious fake, I kind of find it hard to believe that they are real, but then again, nothing ventured...

 

I'll post pictures in a few minutes. Hopefully my scanner will not screw up the images too badly.

[mary-migration]

In the late 1950's I found a coin in a field near my Aunt's house on Cape Cod. This coin appears to be silver. On one side there is what looks like a pine tree and the words "in" then a circle of six dots with a seventh in the middle, then "masathvsets" then a single dot. On the other side is says "newengland" two dots one over the other, " an" two dots one over the other, "dom" and then the same circle of six dots with a seventh in the center, all of this around the outside edge, the a circle of dots and inside this circel "1652" and under that "XII" I rediscovered the coin recently and am wondering is this is real on fake. Anyone have any ideas?

 

thanks

[TomB]

The piece that mary is writing about and has attached an image of is a modern copy of what is known as a Pine Tree Schilling. These modern copies were produced by the thousands and turn up all the time. The real coinage is quite valuable, but there is no question that this is a $2 reproduction. One way to tell is the fact that the piece is struck too well as the original pieces are mostly crudely struck, on irregular planchets, have design elements off-center and do not have much detail.

 

The other pieces written about are all fakes given the facts presented.

[Techno_mike-migration]

Well, if it is a real 1652 Massachusetts Pine Tree Shilling then it is worth the relatively small expense to submit the coin to ANACS for certification ( ANACS )...But there are numerous copies of this coin out there as indicated by 1/2 the EBay listing being "Copy" ( Shilling on EBay )...of couse the others are real!

 

Good Luck,

Mike

[petetrav-migration]

I've attached scans of the Morgans. Thanks for looking.

[petetrav-migration]

I've attached another scan.

[petetrav-migration]

The 1895 reverse.

[petetrav-migration]

1895 obverse

[Techno_mike-migration]

Ouch! At least they are both silver...

 

Mike

[TomB]

The counterfeits of the Morgans are very poorly made. If they are silver they are at least worth bullion. If not, you could always put a hole in each and use them on a keychain.

[BankNote1]

How do you know that they are silver??? The Morgans look to me to be poor quality cast fakes. They look like the China stuff...

[James_OldeTowne]

Hi Pete. All of those coins are fakes. They have miniscule collector value. I have purchased many of these for two dollars each, and sold the same (as novelty items) for three dollars each. I am sorry if this is bad news.

 

James

[James_OldeTowne]

Hi Mary. Even though the image is not the best, I feel certain the coin you have is not genuine. It has the look of many reproductions that have been produced in recent years as novelty items. If you can get a "dead-on" image of front and back, that would be very helpful.

 

James

[DWLange]

At the recent ANA show a member of the general public brought an 1857-O dollar to our table. It was a very obvious cast counterfeit and was accompanied by a pair of similarly crude trade dollars. From the look on his face I gathered that he must have paid a fair amount of money for them.

[petetrav-migration]

I actually told the seller I would not pay for them prior to being able to verify them, so he refused shipment and that was that. Until they showed up at my house yesterday.