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My Latest New Peace Dollar -- Weird!!!

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Here's my latest new Peace Dollar for my collection with a 180 degree rotated die error. I don't know much about grading Peace dollars -- what would be the grade of this coin? The scratches you see in the field and in and around the date are not from cleaning -- but rather are die scratches (raised) on the die. I'll be sending the coin off to ANACS shortly -- so post your grades and I will let all know when I get it back to how she came out on grading. Is this 1922 with the 180 degree rotated dies scarce??? VAM collectors????

 

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I'd call it an EF or just about there.

As to the scarcity of the piece I'd call it pretty scarce to have 180* (Any coin with 180* is scarce!)rotation.According to the VAM book,error section the date is known in up to 100* rotation and appears to be somewhat scarce.I'd recomend you sending it to Van Allen for examination after it has been slabbed for his opinion...

-Hayden

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"Question! Why send it to ANACS and not NGC????"

 

Since you asked the question -- I will answer the question.

 

NGC -- are you reading this? I hope so.

 

I have a group of coins ready for submission to ANACS. These coins are various doubled dies, RPM's, etc. that are listed in the CONECA files or Wexler Files or my files. ANACS will assign the particular doubled die #, or RPM # or die variety designation as appropriate to that coin.

 

NGC will NOT slab these coins with the designation of a doubled die or RPM or etc., since they are not FS numbers or recognized by NGC.

 

For example: A while back I had sent a 1960-D Lincoln cent to NGC for slabbing with it being the well-known RPM-1. This RPM is easily visible and is also known in the hobby as the perfect "parallel D" variety with an extremely strong D/D west. NGC slabbed the coin 1960-D 1c MS 66 RD but NO annotation whatsoever on the tag such as RPM or RPM-1 or anything. I cracked the coin out and sent it to ANACS in my next submission to them and it came back 1960-D/D 1c MS-66 Red (same grade as NGC) but also with the annotation of RPM-1 on the holder insert. That's exactly what I wanted.

 

As I said, this upcoming group for submission is also going to ANACS because ANACS will slab them with the appropriate variety designations and it's easy to just add this 1922 Peace Dollar rotated dies error in with the submission.

 

This is my biggest gripe with NGC! Actually -- it's my only gripe. My understanding is this is how PCGS also operates. NGC would have tons of more business if they would at least recognize other variety designations that are also recognized in the CONECA or Wexler files, but they don't and that's where they are missing out on a lot more business with the many variety collectors in our hobby. There's more to varieties than just the FS number listings! The CPG FS system is extremely miniscule in the overall scope of other die varieties in our hobby.

 

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AMEN. By the way, Billy, I like your rotated dies Peace $1 very much. I'll throw my hat in the ring with guess-the-grade at VF-35 to EF-40 (I had to check the grading standards for this series).

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Hello to Die Varieties! I could not agree with you more. Have no idea why NGC will not do what ANACS does? They certainly are throwing business away. I for one use ANACS for the very reasons that you mentioned. When you find the odd stuff or the unusual or the rare, you do not want to listen to "we do not slab that variety because it is not in CPG or the Red Book". I for one do not like putting gummy stickers onto my NGC slabs so that I know what is in the slab. That was supposed to be what NGC did for me when I spent the money for "variety attribution". But I learned my lesson with the first grouping of "variety" coins that I sent to NGC. Even worse---they keep the "extra" money instead of returning it. Like you, this is a sore spot with me. NGC should post an entire list of what they will or won"t put onto a slab. Here on these boards it has been brought up before---although I cannot remember the posts. This is certainly one area that NGC needs to improve upon. Bob [supertooth]

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NGC should post an entire list of what they will or won"t put onto a slab. Here on these boards it has been brought up before---although I cannot remember the posts. This is certainly one area that NGC needs to improve upon. Bob [supertooth]

 

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Yep -- that's the list.

 

But for me -- the equation is still the same. NGC does not recognize the many other die varieties that are consistently recognized by CONECA and Wexler file systems that ANACS does recognize. That, in a nutshell, is the main reason why I and a lot of other variety collectors will continue to submit to ANACS instead of NGC.

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Yep -- that's the list.

 

But for me -- the equation is still the same. NGC does not recognize the many other die varieties that are consistently recognized by CONECA and Wexler file systems that ANACS does recognize. That, in a nutshell, is the main reason why I and a lot of other variety collectors will continue to submit to ANACS instead of NGC.

 

I was just getting the list for him. It is something NGC needs to do. Maybe it is because of the time envolved 893scratchchin-thumb.gif

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"According to the VAM book,error section the date is known in up to 100* rotation and appears to be somewhat scarce.I'd recomend you sending it to Van Allen for examination after it has been slabbed for his opinion... Hayden"

 

Thanks for the info Hayden. I was able to find this Web site providing information on rotated dies for the Morgans and Peace dollars. It does list a 1922 Peace $1 with 180 degree rotated dies as rare. It was last updated Sept. 2001.

 

VAM Rotated Dies Web Page

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DV; I must agree with you! I do wish NGC would recognize the other die varietys. At least they could put the RPM # on the one's that they recognize. It is also the only thing NGC gives me gas over!!!

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