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Guess the grade! Heck, guess the COIN!!

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JamminJ

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Grade: Nasty

 

Coin: Mexico, Mexico City minet, Charles IV, something real. The something is determined by size, 1 real ~ dime size, 2 real ~ quarter size, 4 real ~ half dollar size, 8 real ~silver dollar size. My guess it's a 1 real.

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coinman1794

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Looks like a Charles IIII 1/2 real in Poor 1, and judging by what I can see of the profile, it looks to be one of those actually baring the bust of Charles IIII, not Charles III, which were first minted in and after 1792.

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HaydenTubbs

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Although of Spanish origins, these coins circulated heavily in the U.S., apparently up through the 1850's...so you might consider it a quasi U.S. Colonial piece.

Yes,I knew that but it just seems that since it is a foriegn coin it would be more approperiate over there. Of course I'm not complaining I was just being friendly,after all this place is so dead people can post almost anything for all I care!

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James_OldeTowne

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Complainers!! laugh.gif

 

Yes, I knew I might be stepping into a bit of controversy, however, for me, this is a US Colonial coin. Though minted in Spanish controlled territory, coins such as this 1 Reale probably circulated more in the United States than in Spain's own colonies!

 

My grading guess would have been: CULL, a term not used very frequently anymore. I think even "PO-1" is too high a grade, because the coin has no date visible.

 

Thanks for all the responses, and as your reward, Braddick wins the coin!

 

James

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Complainers!! laugh.gif

 

Yes, I knew I might be stepping into a bit of controversy, however, for me, this is a US Colonial coin. Though minted in Spanish controlled territory, coins such as this 1 Reale probably circulated more in the United States than in Spain's own colonies!

 

My grading guess would have been: CULL, a term not used very frequently anymore. I think even "PO-1" is too high a grade, because the coin has no date visible.

 

Thanks for all the responses, and as your reward, Braddick wins the coin! acclaim.gif

 

James

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midwest

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My grading guess would have been: CULL, a term not used very frequently anymore. I think even "PO-1" is too high a grade, because the coin has no date visible.

 

With all due respect I don't believe cull is a grade 893scratchchin-thumb.gif

 

Wouoldn't the actual term be Basal State?

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I think "basal state" would require a coin identifiable as to grade and/or mint... in other words, still too high a grade for this slick!

 

James

 

Just checked and it says basal state has to be able to identify variety. Sometimes the date is uneeded in this. BTW has cull ever been published in any grading books? Or is it just a term the market came up with 893scratchchin-thumb.gif

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James_OldeTowne

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The implication of being able to identify the variety is that the grade would be indentifiable also. I doubt that the variety of this 1 Reale (and yes, they are studied by variety) can be identified though - but I could be wrong! I've seen large-cents with even less detail identified as to variety - therefore making the date known.

 

As far as the term "cull", I believe it is a market term, much like "UNC" or "average circulated". The term is seldom seen today, but when I was getting started in coins, it was in common use.

 

James

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HaydenTubbs

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Complainers!! laugh.gif

 

Yes, I knew I might be stepping into a bit of controversy, however, for me, this is a US Colonial coin. Though minted in Spanish controlled territory, coins such as this 1 Reale probably circulated more in the United States than in Spain's own colonies!

 

My grading guess would have been: CULL, a term not used very frequently anymore. I think even "PO-1" is too high a grade, because the coin has no date visible.

 

Thanks for all the responses, and as your reward, Braddick wins the coin!

 

James

 

If you posted this across the street they'd probably burn you alive! 27_laughing.gif

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As far as the term "cull", I believe it is a market term, much like "UNC" or "average circulated". The term is seldom seen today, but when I was getting started in coins, it was in common use.

 

James

 

Wait. I thought we already determined that UNC was indeed a grade.

 

Actually, I pulled out my old Photograde (printed in 1974) and there was a paragraph about grades such as UNC, BU, Choice BU, etc. They even mentioned "toned uncirculated" as opposed to "brilliant uncirculated".

 

I don't recall seeing the grade "cull" in there but I didn't read all of it. I always considered a cull to be a damaged coin. And didn't Sheldon consider Po1 and basal state to be the same thing? I may be wrong on that since I don't have my Penny Whimsy handy.

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