DDR Reverse Commems.

[BankNote1]

Does anyone know if NGC recognizes the DDR 1892 Columbian and doubled Stn. Mtn half dollars? If so would that be the Variety Plus?

Thanks...

[truthteller]

Does anyone know if NGC recognizes the DDR 1892 Columbian and doubled Stn. Mtn half dollars? If so would that be the Variety Plus?

Thanks...

 

 

In general, NGC will recognize coins that have been attributed by the Cherrypickers guide. Stone Mountain DD will be recognized, I have a few graded as the DDO variety. The Columbian will not be attributed. I just sent one in and they did not attribute it. ANACS will attribute both.

 

 

 

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[Mozin]

In the NGC Variety guide NGC says they will designate ALL Cherypickers varieties. I would call customer service and ask about the Columbian DDR. It is possible because the census does not show this variety that nobody asked for it.

[gmarguli]

You can try to submit it under the Mint Error service. They will list some doubled dies this way.

[BankNote1]

NGC has a racket going!

I know if it is in the CherryPickers or Red Book they will slap it on the holder. There are other coins that they recognize that aren't in either book. Somethings they recognize somethings they don't. Somethings are Variety Plus add $7.00 somethings are varieties and you don't have to pay the $7.00. Sometimes varieties are errors sometimes the aren't.

 

Get this:

In my last shipment to NGC I sent in a RPM-3 1938D/D Buffalo Nickel. I was told by NGC that they recognized the RPM-2 and RPM-3. I noted it in the Variety Plus and paid my $7.00. Well, when I opened my package back from NGC the nickel holder just said 1938-D?? I e-mailed and was told that I messed up and shouldn't have marked it as a Variety Plus and I didn't need to pay the $7.00. I should of just put "D/D" in the mint mark section and they would of put it on the holder. I then asked if I could get my $7.00 back then? Infact I felt they owed the grading fee as well as I wouldn't of sent the coin to NGC if they weren't going to put the "D/D" on the holder. I would of sent the coin to ANACS and ANACS will put the RPM # as well! The answer was no, but if I mailed the coin back they would look at it again. Why couldn't I at least get my $7.00 back since I wasn't supposed to have paid it in the first place? They couldn't do that because they had to take the time to look up the variety!!! Think God I was in Miss. and NGC was in Fla. and think God I was on the computer and not the phone! Because I would of got myself banned from NGC as well!!!!

[truthteller]

What will $7.00 buy you in Mississippi?

 

1) A catfish burger with fries

2) An ounce of silver

3) A picture of the 2004 Ole Miss football team

4) Leftover wreckage from Hurrican Ivan

5) Aggravation from NGC Variety Plus

 

 

TRUTH

[BankNote1]

What will $7.00 buy you in Mississippi?

 

1) A catfish burger with fries

2) An ounce of silver

3) A picture of the 2004 Ole Miss football team

4) Leftover wreckage from Hurrican Ivan

5) Aggravation from NGC Variety Plus

 

The answer to the "Truth"!

1.) There aint nothin much better than good ole Mississippi catfish! Mississippi grows more catfish than any other state in our Union!

2.) $2 worth of 90% coins! I'd take it!

3.) Has anyone heard of someone named "Manning". Last year Ole Miss was just a little Ole "Peyton" place?

4.) Leftover wreckage from Ivan, Leftover wreckage from Dennis! My son told me that I lived to far from the coast. That was the reason we keep getting hit by these storms!

5.) Instead of NGC calling it "Variety Plus" they should call it "Variety Maybe"!!!

It is kinda funny when you think about it. I think the Variety Plus is being run by Larry, Moe, and Curly!

[Die Varieties]

"Why couldn't I at least get my $7.00 back since I wasn't supposed to have paid it in the first place?"

 

I have to agree with you BN1. I recently had submitted coins to NGC and I did not use Variety Plus. One was a just recently new assigned in the CPG on a 2004 Lincoln cent as FS-2004-801 by J.T. Stanton. NGC slabbed the 2004 Lincoln cent perfectly with the annotation of FS-2004-801 on the insert and I didn't pay the Variety Plus. This doesn't make sense to me either. BTW -- when is the new Volume II CPG coming out? Or is that a "leave-it-alone" subject?

[BankNote1]

I don't know when a new "CPG" guide will be published. The "CPG"'s are out of date and the "VAM" book is waaaaaaaayyyy out dated as well!

 

I did call NGC customer service and I had to wait a few minutes but NGC does not recognize the DDR 1892 Columbian half but they do recognize the DDO 1925 Stn. Mtn. I did find out something though.

They do have a book that has everything that they recognize in it!!! I was told that it was to big to put online! I asked why couldn't they print up some copies? I would buy one and I am sure many others would as well, IMO. Heck, I maybe the only one who would like this info.

I think they like keeping collectors in the dark. It adds to there submissions. If the coin isn't recognized and you paid the Variety Plus they make an extra $7. Also it makes a lot of NGC un-marked holdered coins floating around. Then when someone finds something on the coin they send it back for review paying another $7 + fees to get the variety on the holder. Round & round it goes!!!

Like I said before sounds like Larry, Moe and Curly, are making the rules on the Variety Plus stuff

[Scott_Schechter]

The Guide to Using and Understanding Variety Plus is available on our website, as a pdf file:

 

http://www.ngccoin.com/pdf/ngc_variety_guide_7_17_02.pdf

[BankNote1]

 

Scott, I have read it but I don't think you have. You guys don't even have the Variety Plus fee correct it's not $5 anymore!!! It doesn't explain any of the stuff I have been talking about. Does the file tell you when you have to pay $7 and when you don't? No! Does your file tell you all the varieties that you recognize? No! Just take the 1938 D/S Buffalo for instance. Does your file tell you which 2 of the 5 different OMM's that you recognize? No! Does it tell you that you don't have to pay the Variety Plus fee on the D/S unless you have a E.D.S. OMM-1 and want FS # 5c-020.5 put on the holder but if you have a L.D.S. OMM-1 you just keep the fee and just put "D/S" on the holder? NO!

 

Everytime I have asked a question about a variety I have been sent to that stupid file! It gets frustrating after a while especially since there is basically nothing in it that ever answers my questions. You even mention other guides like "T.H. Buffalo Nickels" but leave it completely openended as to what if anything in the book is recognized by NGC!

 

I guess now you will body bag every coin I send in from now on!!! But I still stand by what I have said!!!

[truthteller]

Send a PM to David Lange. He is the NGC variety expert. Or, you could enjoy a catfish burger.

 

 

 

 

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[BankNote1]

I'll just get me some Mississippi Farm Raised fried catfish (best dang catfish in the world).

Then with the next $7 I will drop over the Ala. border to Johnny Ray's and get me sum o dat Bar-B-Q and me a piece of Honey Ray's Choc-O-let pie!!!

 

I guess all this just proves you need to send your regular coins to NGC and if you are interested in varieties send them to ANACS!

[Scott_Schechter]

Apparently the VarietyPlus Guide on the website is not the most recent edition. A 2004 reprint was done, and I will have it posted on the site this week.

 

Jay Turner and Matt Tucker, graders and authenticators, have commenced work a yet another new revision, so that will be available in a few month's time. The online Census is also a useful resource to see if we have previously recognized examples of a particular variety.

 

Banknote1 (and others!), please email or PM me if you have any suggestions concerning resources that should be made available for variety collectors. I haven't gotten much feedback along these particular lines. We continue to make a significant commitment to providing the most accepted and most accurate attribution service, which includes offering free access to our census and publishing a guidebook outlining the use of our attribution service.