I have a penny of 1943 out of copper

[Christian-migration]

I have a penny of 1943 out of copper with two stamps and two dates and I would like to make it authenticate how to make

[nwcs]

Does it stick to a magnet? And what does it weigh? Pics would help. The odds are that it is a fake.

[Christian-migration]

the image is on Ebay

 

http://cgi.ebay.ca/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=8311745492

[nwcs]

Sure looks fake to me.

[kryptonitecomics]

It looks like an after mint alterations where two coin were laid together and then hit with a hammer? Sending it off to one of the TPG's like ANACS, PCGS or NGC would allow you to authenticate it as genuine....but in this case.....it is clear from the photos that this is a 1942 cent that has been played with after it left the mint.

 

Sorry.....this is one of the most commonly counterfited coins ever....but usually that just take a steel penny and copper coat them.

[McKinley-migration]

i'll tell you without even looking that it's fake..

[McKinley-migration]

ok i looked

 

send it somewhere, get it back with a gorgeously labeled slab.. then you've got something

 

othwise you're just another con

 

 

sad but true

[Christian-migration]

Hello Kryptonitecomics,

 

Your theory seems to me a little drawn by the hair, since if you made the experiment strike two coin one over the other to suit you to notice that this top the mark of the date will be encrusted in the first coin. If you to notice, but mine the two dates are elevated

[nwcs]

If you believe in it, send it in to one of the big three services.

[Christian-migration]

Hi,

 

Does not not understand your arrogance , I found this penny in 1971, when I was 8 years old and I do not see how I could be a another con.

 

Sincerely your Christ

[kryptonitecomics]

This is how these pieces are typically made....which is why I mentioned it as a possibility. Keep in mind that I don't have the piece in hand so it can be difficult to tell wither an object is raised or incuse in a picture as you mentioned.

 

The reasons I believe it to be an after mint alteration mainly deal with the 1943 Date.....the 3 in the date looks altered. As mentioned if you believe it to be an authenticate Mint error then submit the coin to ANACS. You can search the web for ANACS and you should be able to find submission and pricing information on their site.

 

I wish you luck and I hope I am wrong.......but it's not an expensive proposition to at least submit it for your piece of mind.

[Christian-migration]

Thank you very much of the information.

 

Sincerely your Christian

[ldhair]

This is a strange coin. I would send it in.

Have seen a lot off fakes but not like this one.

The old hammer trick would make Lincoln face the same direction. It seems to me that it would have to be die struck to get this look.

I guess a person could press the image on a blank and then press it over a real cent. It looks too good for that.

Please let us know what you learn and welcome to the forum.

Larry

[supertooth]

Christian-----It is possible that you "may" have a "FLIP OVER Double Struck On Center" penny. But kryptonitecomics is giving you excellent advice by telling you to send it to ANACS and have it graded and slabbed. They will determine whether the coin is "genuine" or not for you. Personally, I am suspicious---especially about the three in the date. But it will only cost you about 20 bucks to find out whether you have a coin that may be worth several hundred or more depending on how it turns out. If your coin is not a "trick", this is the way that you should proceed. Then, if you do get it in an ANACS holder, you can relist it on Ebay. Bob [supertooth]

[chinook]

$500,000!!!!!!!!!!!

[James_OldeTowne]

At the one-day St. Louis show this past weekend, I saw two fake 1943 coppers for sale. One was copper-plated and offered at $.50. The other was a more sophisticated fake - a cast I believe - and offered at $5.

 

I have had the pleasure of only handling one 1943 copper in person, and that was long ago, before encapsulation even came into being.

 

James

[AlixTCat]

You may not be the con. That is fine. But the coin is a con. The story told in the eBay ad is totally false and full of misconceptions written by someone who does not understand how coins are made. The line "In 1943 mint workers thought they had made sure than no 1942 copper blanks remained in the hoppers. They missed some because 1943 copper cent were later found in circulation. None are known in new condition." is totally false. There would not be any already struck coins in the planchet hopper. There would only be blank planchets.

Of course a seller with 0 feedback is always a tip off to a con. If you are the person trying to sell this fake coin on eBay, then, indeed you are the con. No one is going to bid that high for an obviously faked coin from a seller with 0 feedback.

[nwcs]

My personal opinion is a die struck fake (intentional fake). But I suggested contacting Fred Weinberg.

[BankNote1]

Even if it is a genuine error it isn't worth $500,000!!! I would send it to NGC myself instead of ANACS. Interesting looking coin...

[Leothelion]

They missed some because 1943 copper cent were later found in circulation. There would not be any already struck coins in the planchet hopper. There would only be blank planchets.

 

Why wouldn't it be possible that the mint used the hoppers for both planchets and the minted coins. I can see a coin getting stuck in a hopper and the following year the hopper is used for the planchets.

 

Leo

[Leothelion]

The old hammer trick would make Lincoln face the same direction. It seems to me that it would have to be die struck to get this look.

I guess a person could press the image on a blank and then press it over a real cent. It looks too good for that.

Larry

 

Interesting analysis and the same thing would happen if a 1943 working die struck an upside down 180 degree turned 1942 cent, the face would be facing the same direction.

 

Leo

[Leothelion]

Ok, last try! See attachment. The picture on the right is what the image looks like on the working die. It's an inverted image of what ends up on the planchet. If a 1943 die struck an upside down 180 degree turned 1942 cent then you would have the face looking in opposite directions, much like the strike of Christian's coin.

And much like what Larry suggested:

I guess a person could press the image on a blank and then press it over a real cent. It looks too good for that.

 

I would think the pressure from a working die would have wiped out most of the detail including the date. The 1943 detail would have been much more bold then that presently showing on the 1942

 

Case closed! Save your money!

 

Leo

 

Is it obvious that I have a lot of time on my hands?

[McKinley-migration]

Even if it is a genuine error it isn't worth $500,000!!!

 

if it was what this guy really wants it to be, it'd be worth i'd say a few times that..