New Vareity or different elements ?? 1 1

[Abdulah]

 I have a 1961 D BN Lincoln coin and I have identified this coin, it turns out that there is a smaller variety and the coins are very different from the 1961 D that are generally in circulation. My collection of coins is smaller, it is clear from all the numbers, letters, buildings, lincoln portraits all hit with small dies . See  sample image ! 

the top portrait of the normal 1961 D lincoln is normal the general is large, and the lower lincoln 1961 D is abnormally small, it looks smaller, enjoy watching

[powermad5000]

On 7/27/2023 at 9:58 PM, Abdulah said:

it is clear from all the numbers, letters, buildings, lincoln portraits all hit with small dies

I am not sure what you are referring to with this. The US Mint did not decide to use "smaller" dies to mint Lincoln cents. If they did, they would have had to use smaller planchets and smaller collars to make the strike look the same. Otherwise, if they used "small" dies with regular planchets, there would be an outer "ring" of unstruck metal not part of the rim around the edge of the coin. I looked at varieties for the 1961 D Lincoln Memorial Cent and see 72 varieties for RPM's but nothing for "smaller" lettering, date, and images. I do not see any difference between the two coins in the photo you provided, so I am left just confused by this post.

[Abdulah]

Here I am sending back more detailed pictures, and please look at this very carefully and don't rush 

[Abdulah]

1961 D BN  Lincoln cent New variety  all small size 

[Reno Raines]

On 7/28/2023 at 1:51 AM, Abdulah said:

1961 D BN  Lincoln cent New variety  all small size 

If you're so certain this is a new variety of a 1961 D Lincoln cent then submit it to NGC or PCGS for authentication / designation.

[Hoghead515]

Its just a normal 1963 D cent. Worth 1 cent. I wouldnt waste money submitting it. 

[Fenntucky Mike]

I'll have what the OP's having. 

I believe all the dies were made from the same master hub, there would be no variation as you describe because of this. DD's, RPM's, overdates, design loss do to polishing of dies, Sm & Lg dates, etc., sure, small and large features of the overall design, no. 

[JT2]

What yuo are looking at is circulation wear.  she has been running around this world for over 60 years now and well she has lost a little of her design elements.  sorry just an old worn out cent.

[Sandon]

   I see no meaningful differences in the details of these coins.  Any differences in the thickness or strength in the lettering or other features are explainable by die wear or die polishing combined with circulation wear on the coins. This would not be indicative of die varieties or mint errors.

   If you remain convinced that there are different varieties of 1961-D cents, you should examine a number of uncirculated examples of them, rolls of which should still be available from some dealers.

Edited July 28, 2023 by Sandon
correct typo

[powermad5000]

I am in agreeance with @Tony Follis. If I am wrong and this is some new variety that has never been see before, then submit it to NGC or PCGS and get back to us with the results.

[EagleRJO]

I also don't see any appreciable differences in the sizes of the elements you identified, just differences in the amount of wear on the coins.

If you look up the coins in CoinFacts you will be able to see how the coins look in a mint state, and then with varying degrees of wear that approach the circulated condition of the coins posted.

[Mike Meenderink]

Can we smoke some too?

[Reno Raines]

On 7/29/2023 at 1:11 AM, Mike Meenderink said:

Can we smoke some too?

The more the merrier.

[J P M]

All the dies come from the master die so they would all be almost identical. We all know no two items are exactly the same but what you are looking for Abdulah is not there. I think the coin (Error Hype) is getting desperate. The way that the coins are made now days make it very rare to get errors. That is why people get so excited over a new die clash which I think is cool but that's here nor there. I have a feeling people will be searching for ghosts in a lot of older coins and that will make identification even harder than it is now. I will always coin hunt. I have been doing it for a while and most of what you think you see you do not.... believe me...... Look again.. and look it up,,,, Most errors have been found already. If you find something new in a 60 year old coin it is probably PMD. ( Post Mint Damage )  Good Luck.

[VKurtB]

I am reminded of the title of one of George Carlin's comedy albums.

[RWB]

Abdulah.

There's absolutely nothing of value or interest to coin collectors in the items you posted.

[Abdulah]

My post is not for everyone or forced collectors to be interested in this coin, what I want to say is there a Lincoln case like this coin?

 

Yes, I will try to send it to PCGS or NGC, thanks

[Reno Raines]

On 7/30/2023 at 12:05 AM, Abdulah said:

My post is not for everyone or forced collectors to be interested in this coin, what I want to say is there a Lincoln case like this coin?

 

Yes, I will try to send it to PCGS or NGC, thanks

Good luck 

[JKK]

On 7/29/2023 at 9:05 PM, Abdulah said:

My post is not for everyone or forced collectors to be interested in this coin, what I want to say is there a Lincoln case like this coin?

 

Yes, I will try to send it to PCGS or NGC, thanks

When you do, consider it tuition.

[Hoghead515]

On 7/30/2023 at 12:05 AM, Abdulah said:

My post is not for everyone or forced collectors to be interested in this coin, what I want to say is there a Lincoln case like this coin?

 

Yes, I will try to send it to PCGS or NGC, thanks

Its gonna cost you close to a hundred dollars to send it in. Not only is there the grading fee but, theres shipping, handling, insurance, etc. Also the extra $15 to check it for a variety or mint error. You have to still pay that fee even if it is not. If you dont pay it they will not look for one.  Its only worth 1 cent. Like @JKK mentioned, consider it a learning expierence. You had some of the most expirenced numismatist in the world tell you its nothing special. When you send it in the TPGs are going to tell you the same thing. You are bout to buy youself a very expensive piece of plastic with 1 cent inside. Dont say we didnt try to warn you. If you do send it in  please come back here and post the results of what you found out. Most people wont check back in and tell us what the results was after being warned about their coins for some odd reason. 

Edited July 30, 2023 by Hoghead515

[EagleRJO]

On 7/30/2023 at 12:05 AM, Abdulah said:

My post is not for everyone or forced collectors to be interested in this coin, what I want to say is there a Lincoln case like this coin?

On 7/30/2023 at 12:05 AM, Abdulah said:

Yes, I will try to send it to PCGS or NGC, thanks

Consider it $80 tuition paid when it comes back as just a normal circulated 1961-D Cent without any variety noted on the label.

[VKurtB]

A lot of people pay tuition that is 100% avoidable, because the “education” they get won’t stick. It’s a personality disorder that needs professional interventional help.

[GoldFinger1969]

Where did you find these pennies and WHO told you they were valuable ?  

[Abdulah]

I alone discovered and resurrected this coin.
and I have had a hobby of collecting coins since I was a teenager, and just found out that there is a 1961 D BN Lincoln cent coin smaller than the others about a year ago which was in all US collectible coins, when I was identifying all the lincoln coins that were I have the possibility of having VARIERTYS like DDO/DDR.SMALL DATE/LARGE.DATE/DOEBLE EAR/ CLOSE AM/ WIDE AM/ PROOF / SATIN / REGULAR STRIKE / BUSINESS
STRIKE / BN. RB .RD in 1919 - 1959 - 1960 and so on. but 12 pieces that are unique enough that I expect to get MS grades, including this 1961 D.
Sorry I didn't say these coins are valuable but I said NEW VAREITIES AND DIFFERENT ELEMENTS ??? that's what i posted

[Abdulah]

AND ALL THAT I CAN BE RESPONSIBLE FOR !!p⁰

[Abdulah]

[Abdulah]

Why is it too deep and too serious to think about it when I'm just ordinary, I'd rather sing a simple Bob Dyland Chord song but the legend of Bob Dyland is great!

[Abdulah]

Lol . Lol 

[J P M]

On 7/31/2023 at 2:34 AM, Abdulah said:

I alone discovered and resurrected this coin.
and I have had a hobby of collecting coins since I was a teenager, and just found out that there is a 1961 D BN Lincoln cent coin smaller than the others about a year ago which was in all US collectible coins, when I was identifying all the lincoln coins that were I have the possibility of having VARIERTYS like DDO/DDR.SMALL DATE/LARGE.DATE/DOEBLE EAR/ CLOSE AM/ WIDE AM/ PROOF / SATIN / REGULAR STRIKE / BUSINESS
STRIKE / BN. RB .RD in 1919 - 1959 - 1960 and so on. but 12 pieces that are unique enough that I expect to get MS grades, including this 1961 D.
Sorry I didn't say these coins are valuable but I said NEW VAREITIES AND DIFFERENT ELEMENTS ??? that's what i posted

I call these grab bags. I see them a lot in antique stores. If you find one nice coin in all of these bags you are doing well. Most of the time they are the leftovers after cleaning out a old coin jar. Good luck..............

[JT2]

If you like i can send you about 2 to 3 thousand of these wheats just to get them off my hands. There are really only a handful of Lincoln Cents that are worth the time and these are one of them.   sorry just a few old wore out cents.