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[JessieJo]

Composition: Silver Fineness: 0.8350 Weight: 10.0000g ASW: 0.2685oz Melt Value: $5.81 (11/30/2022)
DESIGN
Obverse: Head right Reverse: Crowned eagle with Savoy shield on chest
NOTES
Ruler: Vittorio Emanuele III

[JKK]

Yes, your ID is correct.

[Sandon]

   I'm not sure what "opinion" you wanted, but the illustrated coin appears to be a crude (probably cast) counterfeit!  If it is a genuine coin, it has been damaged, likely by heat that nearly melted it.  It has also been bent. 

  If you have any other question, please ask it!

[JT2]

MY opinion .....find something else............  

[JessieJo]

On 11/30/2022 at 9:58 AM, JKK said:

Yes, your ID is correct.

Thank you for your kindness what about grade what do you think?

[JKK]

No grade. Damaged and probably bent, and of no value above bullion.

[Mr.Bill347]

Sorry JKK is correct. Pass on it if you can. Welcome to the forum!

[JKK]

Also: you should know that you almost didn't get an answer from me, because you neither described the coin in your title nor asked any clear question. Without a question, we don't know what you want to learn.

However, you did put a brief question in the header matter. I normally ignore the header matter, but this time I saw it, so I figured what you wanted to know is whether you had made a positive ID. Which may have been all you wanted--but imagine how much easier you could have made this process by including a sentence of this sort in your post: "Is my identification correct? What do you think of its grade and value?" This is how you can help us to help you. We want to be relevant. We love to answer questions. Without them, we hardly know what to say.

[JessieJo]

On 11/30/2022 at 12:12 PM, JKK said:

Also: you should know that you almost didn't get an answer from me, because you neither described the coin in your title nor asked any clear question. Without a question, we don't know what you want to learn.

However, you did put a brief question in the header matter. I normally ignore the header matter, but this time I saw it, so I figured what you wanted to know is whether you had made a positive ID. Which may have been all you wanted--but imagine how much easier you could have made this process by including a sentence of this sort in your post: "Is my identification correct? What do you think of its grade and value?" This is how you can help us to help you. We want to be relevant. We love to answer questions. Without them, we hardly know what to say.

I am very sorry for not clearly asking my question. Im not use to asking questions and or how to word them sometimes but thank you for your input and I will definitely keep this in mind .. 

[JKK]

On 11/30/2022 at 12:49 PM, JessieJo said:

I am very sorry for not clearly asking my question. Im not use to asking questions and or how to word them sometimes but thank you for your input and I will definitely keep this in mind .. 

No problem; just trying to help you help us help you. While we hope to help people understand numismatic terminology, none is really necessary for the basics. Most people want to know three things: what is this, what condition is it in, and therefore what might it be worth. You will probably get some numismatic esoterica in responses, and it's okay to ask what it means. We have a lot of people who know a great deal about coins, and have known it for so long they have forgotten what it might ever have been like not to know the meaning of VF-30 or DDR, etc.

If you'd like a term explained, asking is totally fine. Of course, someone is likely to post a link to this or that article, implying that you should go look it up, again for the same basic reason: They have so long ago forgotten what non-knowing is like, and are thus too far removed from the new poster's perspective, to imagine themselves asking a question and getting a terse link rather than an answer. (A link along with an answer, however, is very helpful. It helps you out and shows you where you can learn more. Sometimes you will get that.)

It may also surprise you to know that not everyone takes a response like mine as helpful or valuable. Those are usually the people who think they have Great Mint Error Rarities and will be able to retire off the coins. Or that they have a genuine [insert name of commonly counterfeited coin] and that we can't possibly be right that it's a fake, mainly because we told them what they didn't want to hear. Just the fact that you aren't starting an argument puts you in the most welcome quarter of new posters, so take heart; you're doing it right. So by all means keep asking the things you seek to know.

[NewGuy1]

On 11/30/2022 at 5:03 PM, JKK said:

No problem; just trying to help you help us help you. While we hope to help people understand numismatic terminology, none is really necessary for the basics. Most people want to know three things: what is this, what condition is it in, and therefore what might it be worth. You will probably get some numismatic esoterica in responses, and it's okay to ask what it means. We have a lot of people who know a great deal about coins, and have known it for so long they have forgotten what it might ever have been like not to know the meaning of VF-30 or DDR, etc.

If you'd like a term explained, asking is totally fine. Of course, someone is likely to post a link to this or that article, implying that you should go look it up, again for the same basic reason: They have so long ago forgotten what non-knowing is like, and are thus too far removed from the new poster's perspective, to imagine themselves asking a question and getting a terse link rather than an answer. (A link along with an answer, however, is very helpful. It helps you out and shows you where you can learn more. Sometimes you will get that.)

It may also surprise you to know that not everyone takes a response like mine as helpful or valuable. Those are usually the people who think they have Great Mint Error Rarities and will be able to retire off the coins. Or that they have a genuine [insert name of commonly counterfeited coin] and that we can't possibly be right that it's a fake, mainly because we told them what they didn't want to hear. Just the fact that you aren't starting an argument puts you in the most welcome quarter of new posters, so take heart; you're doing it right. So by all means keep asking the things you seek to know.

@JessieJo  I've only been here a little bit but lots of these guys want to help new collectors. A couplecan be (not saying what I think because I don't want get in triuble with the mods) but I ignore them.  Ask a question and youll get the right answer from experts like jkk sandon and others helpful people I missed

[GoldFinger1969]

Jessie, what kinds of coins ARE you interested in ?

Small denomination U.S. coins of the last century ?

Silver coinage ?  Silver bullion ?

Gold coins ?  Gold bullion ?

Foreign coins ?

Commemoratives ?

A mixture ?

 

 

 

[JessieJo]

On 11/30/2022 at 7:24 PM, GoldFinger1969 said:

Jessie, what kinds of coins ARE you interested in ?

Small denomination U.S. coins of the last century ?

Silver coinage ?  Silver bullion ?

Gold coins ?  Gold bullion ?

Foreign coins ?

Commemoratives ?

A mixture ?

 

 

I don't have a particular type coin interest yet I'm digging just learning about them all right now hopefully I will find one or a few and stick with one day ..

[JessieJo]

On 11/30/2022 at 4:49 PM, NewGuy1 said:

@JessieJo  I've only been here a little bit but lots of these guys want to help new collectors. A couplecan be (not saying what I think because I don't want get in triuble with the mods) but I ignore them.  Ask a question and youll get the right answer from experts like jkk sandon and others helpful people I missed

Thank I'm learning how this all works ..

[JessieJo]

On 11/30/2022 at 4:03 PM, JKK said:

No problem; just trying to help you help us help you. While we hope to help people understand numismatic terminology, none is really necessary for the basics. Most people want to know three things: what is this, what condition is it in, and therefore what might it be worth. You will probably get some numismatic esoterica in responses, and it's okay to ask what it means. We have a lot of people who know a great deal about coins, and have known it for so long they have forgotten what it might ever have been like not to know the meaning of VF-30 or DDR, etc.

If you'd like a term explained, asking is totally fine. Of course, someone is likely to post a link to this or that article, implying that you should go look it up, again for the same basic reason: They have so long ago forgotten what non-knowing is like, and are thus too far removed from the new poster's perspective, to imagine themselves asking a question and getting a terse link rather than an answer. (A link along with an answer, however, is very helpful. It helps you out and shows you where you can learn more. Sometimes you will get that.)

It may also surprise you to know that not everyone takes a response like mine as helpful or valuable. Those are usually the people who think they have Great Mint Error Rarities and will be able to retire off the coins. Or that they have a genuine [insert name of commonly counterfeited coin] and that we can't possibly be right that it's a fake, mainly because we told them what they didn't want to hear. Just the fact that you aren't starting an argument puts you in the most welcome quarter of new posters, so take heart; you're doing it right. So by all means keep asking the things you seek to know.

Thank you so much for your words of encouragement... Really you don't know what that means to me I'm kinda the one who losses interested in things that I can't pick up on right away not that I am lossing interest but it gets frustrating when I can't figure something out or find something ect and then you have a smart *** who is rude or think they know it all and are ugly makes me regret even asking... So thanks a million ❤️..

[GoldFinger1969]

On 11/30/2022 at 11:49 PM, JessieJo said:

Thank you so much for your words of encouragement... Really you don't know what that means to me I'm kinda the one who losses interested in things that I can't pick up on right away not that I am lossing interest but it gets frustrating when I can't figure something out or find something ect and then you have a smart *** who is rude or think they know it all and are ugly makes me regret even asking... So thanks a million ❤️..

We've ALL been where you are, because we all started out like you.  Except many of us did that before the Internet so we were alone.  Now, we're all in a position to help one another.  So don't fret.  

Without knowint WHAT you are interested in -- or what your budget is or your long-term goals -- it's tough to make recommendations.  You're in no rush, but when you decide what you want or let us know how often or how much you want to buy coins, that will help.  For now, I'll help you out by telling you what I collect.

I am what you would call a Type Collector....I collect different types of coins of various denominations, sizes, etc.  Most of what I have are bullion or bullion-type coins especially silver.  I have a few gold coins, including Double Eagles, but these aren't cheap so I don't have many (but that doesn't mean I am not doing research for my next purchase even if it is 2023....or 2024....or even 2025  ).  I have silver bullion of different sizes (1 ounce up to 5 ounces)....and some gold coins of different denominations.

I also have a bunch of commemoratives, which aren't legal coins but are usually made of silver and in various formats that I find interesting.  For instance, National Park Foundation re-creations of many Saint-Gaudens designs except in silver (not gold).

I spend lots of time doing research on various coins...reading books on coins....and studying coinage and the economy, coinage and banking, coinage and the economy, and coinage and trade.  Plus, hoards and things that changed over time like population survivors.

Lots of stuff besides just "collecting" coins ! 

Edited December 1, 2022 by GoldFinger1969

[GoldFinger1969]

Jessie, you should probably buy the Red Book and I would also recommend the Whitman Morgan Silver Dollars (7th Ed.) book.  Both are good reads....good reference books....and you'll definitely use them both in the future (well, at least the Red Book but probably the MSD one, too).

[GoldFinger1969]

My books; I also have the Red Book (don't confuse it with the Whiteman books on various coins which have "The Official Red Book" at the top; these are different than THE Red Book which covers all U.S. coinage).

Edited December 1, 2022 by GoldFinger1969

[JKK]

On 11/30/2022 at 8:49 PM, JessieJo said:

Thank you so much for your words of encouragement... Really you don't know what that means to me I'm kinda the one who losses interested in things that I can't pick up on right away not that I am lossing interest but it gets frustrating when I can't figure something out or find something ect and then you have a smart *** who is rude or think they know it all and are ugly makes me regret even asking... So thanks a million ❤️..

It's a pretty broad field. For example, while I have a not-crappy US collection, I'm mainly an ancients specialist. This leverages my ability to read a number of alphabets and at least make out some of the associated languages. I also like world coinage in general. But when it comes to specifics about, say, Conder tokens or so-called dollars or US commemoratives, I'm of little use. Our coin club has a lot of presentations on errors and tokens and the hard part for me is not being noticed trying to stifle yawns. If I want there to be a presentation on jitals, for example, I'm going to have to create it myself. Same for Mauryan punchmarks (take my advice and never buy one), Mughal rupees, and Sasanian drachms. No one else in the club knows much about any of those. And they probably stifle yawns when I talk about them; fair's fair.

So there's rarely a person who is a one-stop shop and it's best to be able to reach out to a wide variety of interests and skills. On the board, sometimes that means getting someone who is so brusque you're thinking autism is a factor here, but my suggestion is just recognize bad manners and coldness as an occupational hazard in numismatics. As long as you get the information you wanted, their rudimentary social skills are their problem, not yours. They existed before you arrived and will persist, like a bad rash, for the foreseeable future. They can still be helpful.

[GoldFinger1969]

On 11/30/2022 at 11:49 PM, JessieJo said:

it gets frustrating when I can't figure something out or find something ect and then you have a smart *** who is rude or think they know it all and are ugly makes me regret even asking

It will happen here....you just ignore it and move on.  Don't get involved in a flame or troll war.....if there's a dispute between 2 heavyweights (there always are) and it takes a nasty turn away from a disagreement on coins per se...just stay out.

[JessieJo]

On 12/1/2022 at 12:23 AM, GoldFinger1969 said:

Jessie, you should probably buy the Red Book and I would also recommend the Whitman Morgan Silver Dollars (7th Ed.) book.  Both are good reads....good reference books....and you'll definitely use them both in the future (well, at least the Red Book but probably the MSD one, too).

Thank you. I have the red book just purchased the Morgan Silver Dollar can you tell me about the black book what is the difference or is there one?

[JessieJo]

On 11/30/2022 at 9:44 AM, JessieJo said:

Composition: Silver Fineness: 0.8350 Weight: 10.0000g ASW: 0.2685oz Melt Value: $5.81 (11/30/2022)
DESIGN
Obverse: Head right Reverse: Crowned eagle with Savoy shield on chest
NOTES
Ruler: Vittorio Emanuele III

Just for fun to show I have completed a set a very small set but all in all I did it and thought I would like to share the other Nickels I thought were really pretty to be such an old date... 

[Coinbuf]

On 12/1/2022 at 8:17 AM, JessieJo said:

Just for fun to show I have completed a set a very small set but all in all I did it and thought I would like to share the other Nickels I thought were really pretty to be such an old date... 

 

Putting together sets like this is what makes coin collecting fun and a great way to start and enjoy the hobby.   As you move along try and look at as many coins as possible be critical and ask questions so you can learn, nobody knows it all.     If you can I highly suggest that you go to a local or reginal coin show, do not go looking to buy any coins, just look.    It is very eye-opening for anyone that has never been to any shows to see just how many coins are actually available, it is a great learning opportunity.   Here is a link to a site that lists most/many of the local coin shows for each state, select your state to see if there are any local shows close to you.

Link

I've been collecting for almost 50 years and I still learn something almost every day, just yesterday I found out that the reverse design of the 2018 Palladium $25 coin is actually a design that was first used on a medal issued 115 years ago.   Just keep learning and growing and enjoy collecting coins, most of the problems with new posters arise not the questions but with those new members that insist they are right or when they continue to ask the same questions over and over again, that is when some of us older folks get grumpy.  

[JessieJo]

On 12/1/2022 at 9:34 AM, Coinbuf said:

Putting together sets like this is what makes coin collecting fun and a great way to start and enjoy the hobby.   As you move along try and look at as many coins as possible be critical and ask questions so you can learn, nobody knows it all.     If you can I highly suggest that you go to a local or reginal coin show, do not go looking to buy any coins, just look.    It is very eye-opening for anyone that has never been to any shows to see just how many coins are actually available, it is a great learning opportunity.   Here is a link to a site that lists most/many of the local coin shows for each state, select your state to see if there are any local shows close to you.

Link

I've been collecting for almost 50 years and I still learn something almost every day, just yesterday I found out that the reverse design of the 2018 Palladium $25 coin is actually a design that was first used on a medal issued 115 years ago.   Just keep learning and growing and enjoy collecting coins, most of the problems with new posters arise not the questions but with those new members that insist they are right or when they continue to ask the same questions over and over again, that is when some of us older folks get grumpy.  

Thank you for your opinion and link will definitely attend next  location coin show if possible...

[Sandon]

On 12/1/2022 at 9:54 AM, JessieJo said:

can you tell me about the black book what is the difference or is there one?

  I hadn't seen the "Black Book" for many years and didn't think it was published anymore.  As I recall, it was a supposedly retail price list that had very little information about coins. The "Redbook" is the guide used by most collectors for basic numismatic information. As I pointed out in the "Resources for New Collectors" post to which I previously provided you a link, prices change so rapidly these days that you need a more current guide such as the monthly Coin World or quarterly CPG. You can also use the online guides on the NGC and PCGS websites.

[GoldFinger1969]

On 12/1/2022 at 9:54 AM, JessieJo said:

Thank you. I have the red book just purchased the Morgan Silver Dollar can you tell me about the black book what is the difference or is there one?

What "black book" -- remember, that the Whitman books say OFFICIAL RED BOOK on them because of the Red banner at the top of the cover....these are NOT THE RED BOOK which is entirely separate (it can be confusing a bit).

If by "black book" you mean the 2 Whitman books I have above -- with red banners at the top followed by black and then the pictures of the coins -- then yes, this is the Morgan Silver Dollar book to buy (just get 7th Edition or later).

[GoldFinger1969]

On 12/1/2022 at 11:38 AM, Sandon said:

  I hadn't seen the "Black Book" for many years and didn't think it was published anymore.  As I recall, it was a supposedly retail price list that had very little information about coins. The "Redbook" is the guide used by most collectors for basic numismatic information. As I pointed out in the "Resources for New Collectors" post to which I previously provided you a link, prices change so rapidly these days that you need a more current guide such as the monthly Coin World or quarterly CPG. You can also use the online guides on the NGC and PCGS websites.

I'm not sure Sandon, but I think Jessie was getting confused between The Red Book (which covers all coins) and the WHITMAN Red Books which I have and are on Double Eagles and Morgan SDs.  Notice the Red at the top then the Black then the Coins.

I think she was asking if she bought the right Morgan Silver Dollar book because it had black on the cover though I said to buy the Whitman book called "The Official Red Book: A Guide Book Of Morgan Silver Dollars."

Jessie, you want to buy The Red Book and the Whitman Official Book (s). The Whitman MSD book is pictured above; here's The Red Book (notice they are entirely different):

Edited December 1, 2022 by GoldFinger1969

[JessieJo]

On 12/1/2022 at 11:40 AM, GoldFinger1969 said:

What "black book" -- remember, that the Whitman books say OFFICIAL RED BOOK on them because of the Red banner at the top of the cover....these are NOT THE RED BOOK which is entirely separate (it can be confusing a bit).

If by "black book" you mean the 2 Whitman books I have above -- with red banners at the top followed by black and then the pictures of the coins -- then yes, this is the Morgan Silver Dollar book to buy (just get 7th Edition or later).

 

[GoldFinger1969]

On 12/1/2022 at 1:10 PM, JessieJo said:

 

I never heard of that book, maybe the guys here have.

I would get the The Red Book I posted 2 posts back....it has prices (which are going to be outdated in any book anyway) and most importantly has information on coins, stories, etc.  That Black Book might just be price table after price table which is really not what you need/want.

[JessieJo]

On 12/1/2022 at 1:15 PM, GoldFinger1969 said:

I never heard of that book, maybe the guys here have.

I would get the The Red Book I posted 2 posts back....it has prices (which are going to be outdated in any book anyway) and most importantly has information on coins, stories, etc.  That Black Book might just be price table after price table which is really not what you need/want.

Yes I have The Red Book thanks....