1848 2 Gulden Archduke Johann Frankfurt German States, Grade? 2 2

[Tobias J Reily]

Just acquired this. I have been trying to capture the reflectivity of the fields but it is quite hard to do so. The obverse is very reflective, you can see quite a way down a red pencil that I use to test reflectivity. I'm sure it is MS but I don't really know where it lands. What do we think?

 

 

[tj96]

I hate going first!

It looks high AU, low MS.  I also might be seeing cleaned or detailed.  Not sure.  It's a beautiful looking coin though!  👍🏻

[Fenntucky Mike]

On 3/11/2022 at 5:38 PM, tj96 said:

It looks high AU, low MS.  I also might be seeing cleaned or detailed.  Not sure.  It's a beautiful looking coin though!  👍🏻

Those were my initial thoughts as well. 

[Tobias J Reily]

Came back cleaned. Ah well.

 

 

[tj96]

Ouch!!

[Woods020]

In case you didn't know, here are some of the signs you want to look for. The lines like these are almost always cleaning. People have the misconception that if they are light in the cleaning no one will know, and that is entirely not true. A soft q tip will leave noticeable signs on a metal coin if you know what to look for.

[Fenntucky Mike]

Thanks for the update. Looking back on this I should have responded in a more straightforward manner about the coin being cleaned. My apologies. 

[James at EarlyUS.com]

That's a nice and rather scarce coin!  Do you agree with NGC that it isn't a proof?

[Tobias J Reily]

Hi James. I think the obverse has proof like qualities but the reverse does not. I'm actually posting it for sale shortly, just trying to figure out what value it is first.

[James at EarlyUS.com]

An NGC MS-61 (no problems) sold for $288 in 2019, if that's any help.  Strangely, a PCGS MS-64 sold for the same amount a year earlier, in 2018.

[Tobias J Reily]

Many thanks. I listed it at $200 or best offer. I think thats fair