Hinkle Posted January 12, 2022 Share Posted January 12, 2022 I'm not good on seeing DDOs , but this one was questionable. From seeing alot of mechanical doubling, this has a different look to it. It might not be, but I thought I would ask. Thanks Joe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James Zyskowski Posted January 12, 2022 Share Posted January 12, 2022 Not sure on the DD. But what is this spot. Hopefully on the plastic. Take a look 😉 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hinkle Posted January 12, 2022 Author Share Posted January 12, 2022 On 1/12/2022 at 12:36 PM, James Zyskowski said: Not sure on the DD. But what is this spot. Hopefully on the plastic. Take a look 😉 You had me worried there for a minute, yes it on the plastic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James Zyskowski Posted January 12, 2022 Share Posted January 12, 2022 Sweet. I’m learning about DD and such. So far I’ve absorbed this. MD usually leaves a step or pedestal looking thing. I’m being careful with my words because this is complex and I’m learning but no expert. I’m pretty good at spotting spots. Something I’m not always happy about (especially when it’s on my new mint purchase,but I digress 😂). Cool beans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coinbuf Posted January 12, 2022 Share Posted January 12, 2022 No split serifs, looks like MD to me. Woods020 and Numismatic, A.A.S. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hinkle Posted January 13, 2022 Author Share Posted January 13, 2022 On 1/12/2022 at 4:03 PM, Coinbuf said: No split serifs, looks like MD to me. Hi Coinbuf, appreciate you taking time to look at this. I don't want to be a pest about this, but when you say split serifs, do mean something like this in the photo here. Just curious thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woods020 Posted January 13, 2022 Share Posted January 13, 2022 I gotta say I was whole heartedly in the same camp as Coinbuf until these last images. But this does exhibit the classic signs of die doubling. This coupled with Gbrad’s discovery of the 20th DDR on a recent nickel lead me to believe this may be. Apparently I am becoming of the mindset that single squeeze is producing more not less doubled dies as originally thought. Hinkle 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woods020 Posted January 13, 2022 Share Posted January 13, 2022 I know you look for these quite often. Those notches you see at the corners, also called split serifs, are a key diagnostic between mechanical doubling and doubled die. Theoretically MD won’t produce those notches. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mohawk Posted January 13, 2022 Share Posted January 13, 2022 I've been thinking about this one all day, Joe. In looking at all of the photos, I think you may just have a DDO on your hands. It definitely has the correct look for a doubled die of the single squeeze era. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hinkle Posted January 13, 2022 Author Share Posted January 13, 2022 Thanks guys, I had bad experience sending stuff in to be looked at, so I'm trying to figure out what to do with this. Just saying I have two choices, leave it be at the grade it has or send it in and have a lower grade with the possibility of a variety. Why I'm I saying this, is because the coin is damaged. It took a huge hit between the V shape of the wings mainly on the right wing. If you need better photos let me know and I can provide them. I really do appreciate all the advice you all are so helpful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woods020 Posted January 13, 2022 Share Posted January 13, 2022 On 1/12/2022 at 7:49 PM, Hinkle said: Thanks guys, I had bad experience sending stuff in to be looked at, so I'm trying to figure out what to do with this. Just saying I have two choices, leave it be at the grade it has or send it in and have a lower grade with the possibility of a variety. Why I'm I saying this, is because the coin is damaged. It took a huge hit between the V shape of the wings mainly on the right wing. If you need better photos let me know and I can provide them. I really do appreciate all the advice you all are so helpful. Show us the hit you mentioned. That raises concerns. Any hit, even tiny, shouldn’t be in a MS70 slab. ANACS isn’t like the big two, but they aren’t that far off. A huge hit would make me have concerns over authenticity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hinkle Posted January 13, 2022 Author Share Posted January 13, 2022 On 1/12/2022 at 6:53 PM, Woods020 said: Show us the hit you mentioned. That raises concerns. Any hit, even tiny, shouldn’t be in a MS70 slab. ANACS isn’t like the big two, but they aren’t that far off. A huge hit would make me have concerns over authenticity. Idk it looks like a hit to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woods020 Posted January 13, 2022 Share Posted January 13, 2022 On 1/12/2022 at 8:08 PM, Hinkle said: Idk it looks like a hit to me. That it does. The Cert checks out but ANACS has no picture. They also don’t even signify which label, such as first strike for this one. No way to verify much really. I have seen a lot of people thinking they had a DDO on this issue, and it’s always been MD. I think MD is somewhat common on these. This does appear to be a doubled die, but I wouldn’t be shocked if someone proves me wrong. I do think it clearly shouldn’t be a 70 if that is in fact damage. That’s about all I can tell you. Hinkle 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coinbuf Posted January 13, 2022 Share Posted January 13, 2022 (edited) On 1/12/2022 at 5:07 PM, Hinkle said: Hi Coinbuf, appreciate you taking time to look at this. I don't want to be a pest about this, but when you say split serifs, do mean something like this in the photo here. Just curious thanks. Unlike your first photos these last two give pause, the "R" still looks rather like strike doubling. But the "Y" is a classic split serif that indicates a Doubled die. I suggest you post this on the CONECA site for more views and comments before you make a decision on what to do next. But when you do make sure you post all the photos not just the first ones you posted here. Edited January 13, 2022 by Coinbuf James Zyskowski 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simple Collector Posted January 13, 2022 Share Posted January 13, 2022 IMO i think it is worth getting it looked at as the words GOD and TRUST appears to show nice doubling! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James Zyskowski Posted January 14, 2022 Share Posted January 14, 2022 Listen to Coinbuf. He’s sending you to the “specialists “, please return with results for us to learn from. Thanks James Hinkle 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hinkle Posted January 14, 2022 Author Share Posted January 14, 2022 On 1/14/2022 at 11:04 AM, James Zyskowski said: Listen to Coinbuf. He’s sending you to the “specialists “, please return with results for us to learn from. Thanks James I signed up, and active on the forum, did was supposed to. Just waiting for the administrator to give me privileges to start posting pics and asking questions. James Zyskowski 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Henri Charriere Posted January 14, 2022 Share Posted January 14, 2022 On 1/12/2022 at 10:16 PM, Coinbuf said: Unlike your first photos these last two give pause, ... Why do I feel I am missing something here? So without the benefit of enhanced magnification, we would not be able to see what the OP is attempting to show us? 😕 Okay, how about a cross-member consensus: for grading purposes, a 5- to 7-power is indicated, but the 30-power loupes may be used for post-mortem examinations only, to broaden "the body of knowledge." 🤔 ❓️ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
